I am a good person and I don't need a god for that

I said he ORDERED murder. Though, yes, according the the Bible he's also more of a murderer than every Communist dictator combined.

 

Not a discussion.

 

Can you be more specific and also rely on the New Testament alone?

 

first I ask- If nothing bad ever happened how could you even be aware nothing bad ever happens?

Then you ask

Then I repeat myself -

Then you make accusations and put words in my mouth.

This is not a discussion.

 

That's not what you initially asked.

Is it okay to children or not?

 

I think YOU don't understand that murder is wrong Yardmeat. You don't understand that it's wrong because you so not know WHY murder is wrong. You don't know murder is wrong, you just feel it that it's wrong.

I would think a good person would know the difference between right and wrong. I don'k think you do know that difference. You could try to explain to all of us what you think the difference between right and wrong is, or you could choose to level more accusations against me.


Choose Yardmeat. Or choose to ignore me.

 

I very much do understand that. Which is why I can categorically say that killing infants is wrong. Why can't you say that?

Divine Command Theory is dumber than a lobotomized pet rock and can't be defended.

Which is why I know it isn't okay to murder infants. Why can't you agree?

The only thing I've accused you of is agreeing with the Bible. I apologize if I was wrong. Can we now both agree that infanticide is wrong?

 

Categorically wrong?

Why don't you explan categorically why?

I think it's because you cannot. You do not know murder is wrong.

Give us more than a feeling, if you think you can.

 

No, I don't think you do.

You don't know why because you don't think murder is wrong, you just feel it is wrong.

Go ahead and show me wrong. Show us you are thinking.

 

You are literally defending the murder of children. After we are done talking about that and you answer the questions I've already asked you, I'll answer the questions you have for me. That's what the Golden Rule would say, so give it a try.

 

God: "I just want to save you."

Me: "From what?"

God: "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me save you."

 

I accused you of believing in the Bible, which I could be wrong about. Do you not believe in the Bible? Do you not believe in 1 Samuel 15?

 

We already talked about Samuel 1, 15. I told you it is about judgement. I would think a good person would be a better listener..

I'm still rooting for you Yardmeat. I still feel you can explain why murder is wrong.

I don't think you can. But I feel it.

 

You don't know.

Let me help you out Yardmeat.

Why don't you start a sentence that starts, "Murder is wrong because....", and then explain to us a reason why murder is wrong?

I'm starting to feel you can't.

 

And the feeling is gone.

I don't just think you cannot explain why Murder is wrong. I know that if given the chance you cannot explain why murder is wrong.

 

I had asked you to condemn murder first, and you couldn't even do that. Much less explain why it is wrong. In fact, you can't even condemn the murder orders in 1 Samuel 15. That's the difference so far. I condemn murder. You (if you believe in the Bible) say it is sometimes okay. Now, maybe you don't actually believe in the Bible. Congrats if that is the case. But anyone who supports 1 Samuel 15 supports the murder of children. You are not willing or able to discuss these scriptures or even if you agree with them. If you do so, I'll address your questions for me. We both know why you won't take me up on that.

 

All societies have believed that murder is wrong.

The best argument here is to note that there isn't a fundamental disagreement on this point.

You can't claim this as a result of the Bible or Christianity.

 

"all societies believe murder is wrong" -That the most ridiculous thing you said yet.

Did the Roman Catholics in Spain believe muder was wrong while they were persecuting unbelievers? How about the Mayan? Did they know it was wrong to cut a mother's heart out and feed to the jaguar so her kid could be Superman? How about the Germans in the 1930's? They didn't seem to think murder is wrong. Or what about Cambodia I the 60's?

So don't give me this "all societies believe muder is wrong" crap, because that's all it is- bull crap.

But I'll leave the question open to you though, Willreadmkre- Why is murder wrong?

 

Yes, Protestants AND Catholics have always believed that murder is wrong. Always.

Yet they have had wars and horrendous individual punishments for people who commit the crime of not abiding by the religion of those in power.

We are a majority Christina, yet WE believed that killing Iraqi citizens was worth the price tag of untold billions of dollars.

There isn't one answer on why murder is wrong.

There are sure to be differences between how that proscription is viewed by the numerous philosophies.

The point is that societies have always considered it wrong.

 

Murder is not the same as killing.

Murder is an illegal act. Killing, sanctioned by God or the state, is not considered murder, at least not by those doing the killing.

So for example a serial killer can murder a series of victims. When brought to trial and found guilty and sentenced to death, the serial killer is punished with death. That is not murder.


The problem is that anyone can believe they have moral grounds to kill if they just have faith in their god or if their political system has power. Few doubt that it was morally acceptable to kill Nazis but the Nazis themselves gained their their right to kill from the same source, political authority.

 

some thoughts to answer that found in this thread: a lot of the misunderstandings about Christianity come from a lack of wisdom about human nature

 

Well, the first thing I would say is that probably all three of those books are not going to be very useful to you without some commentary from the people who are members of and teach those religions. It's really hard for ordinary people to distill down a giant religious book like that into ethics for their life.
Although there are some significant and important differences, there is a lot of overlap in the ethics between those three religions. So that is one thing you could at least consider.

 

Why?

 

And yet you deciphered my misspelling?

Wow! You must be some kind of Super Genius!

But a "Good" Super Genius has reasons for their beliefs. You have no reasons that you are willing to share. You just feel it. I gotta admit I put no trust whatsoever in your emotions.

 

You've given no reason for your beliefs at all, and have even refused to clarify your beliefs.