I am pro-gun - ask me anything...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by TOG 6, May 4, 2017.

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  1. SuperfluousNinja

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    I'm just going off what you gave me. You said the cause of high firearm-related death is "mental illness". Whatever form of mental illness contributes to a higher rate of firearm-related death, that needs to be addressed. Do you agree?

    Well. The reason people don't want you to have your guns is because Americans just can't stop killing each other with them. If they did, you'd have gun rights galore.
     
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    Yeah, the one I asked. Would a private individual be able to own a M-2 or Oerlikon?
     
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    I really don't want to ask where do you draw the line, but it's too tempting. But first, you have a right to own a gun. I presume you are also supportive of owning whatever type of gun and as many as possible without the government hindering you from making a stockpile. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Are you supportive of the right to own explosives or just guns? If you support the right to own or build explosives, do you believe you have a right to a nuclear bomb?
     
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    I suppose - but, again, you;re far too broad to formulate a specific response.
    Most gun-related death -- better than 2 in 3 - are from suicides. The mental health issues driving the reasons people kill themselves are vast, and it is pretty easy to find an organization willing to help people in this regard. Do I believe these organizations should exist? Sure.
    So...?

    Rational, reasoned people do not worry about the opinions of those who argue with fallacious appeals to emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
     
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    The M2HB is a machine gun and falls under the definition of firearm. Thus, unquestionably, yes.
    The Oerlikon is an automatic cannon that requires emplacement, a carriage, or a vehicular mount, and thus does not fall under the definition of firearm. But, yes, people should be able to own one, even though it falls outside the context of our original question.
     
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    where do you prefer to buy ammo?

    Cheaperthandirt?
    Midwayusa?
    other...
     
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    The M2 is not portable. It requires an emplacement as well.

    What about a mortar or a rocket launcher?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    define "infringement"
     
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    that's a good question Ron. And there are different answers if you are talking about the federal vs state government
     
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    When in bulk, I look through http://gun-deals.com/ammo
    When I need something in the quick, I usually go to WalMart, Dunhams or Bass Pro
     
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    I prefer AIM SURPLUS since its 10 minutes away

    CTD I will never buy from-they jacked a box of PMC 9mm up to 60 dollars during a panic a few years ago
     
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    Incorrect. It requires a tripod; when so equipped it is portable.

    These are not firearms.
     
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    Would you want to own a gun if you lived in a country where it wasn't necessary to protect yourself? In other words, is it a hobby or a necessity for you?
     
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    I have bought a fair bit of stuff from them.
     
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    SCOTUS does not believe that regulations upon firearm ownership, intended to assist in the public good and safety, are not "infringements".

    the question is which rules/regs are for the public good & safety, and which ones are simply arbitrary and illogical
     
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    I cannot image such a place, but even then, yes.
    Firearms have innumerable legitimate uses.
     
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    You can fire an Oerlikon from a quad pod mount. And when so equipped it is portable.
     
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    So, you believe a 20mm Oerlikon falls under my provided definition of "firearm". Cool.
     
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    ya, I heard that before, lots of peeps got all ticked off at them, at the time I wasn't desperate for ammo, walmart shelves were empty, so I just avoided going to the range for a long time. now everything, guns and ammo seem underpriced.

    i'll check out the two listed, never heard of them.
     
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    the federal government infringes any time it involves itself in gun control. It was never intended to have any such power. its a fraud that it does. As to state government-its a different matter because the second was not intended to apply to the states. now that it does, there is a conflict between the tenth amendment and the second amendment
     
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    I will buy from MIDWAY, PSA, and Natchez but Most of my factory ammo I get from AIM since its a 10 minute drive and shipping is usually more for ammo than Ohio state sales tax
     
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    So cannon firing explosive shells are "firearms" under the definition?

    What about a Carl Gustav? It's a recoilless rifle and portable?
     
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    They are a little too far away from Fortress TOG to pick up, so I have it shipped. The prices are usually still good.
     
  24. Ronstar

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    many legal experts disagree with you.

    notice how the Alien & Sedition Acts were signed right after the 1st Amendment was ratified.

    clearly our Founders felt Freedom of Speech was not without its limits, and its fair to suggest they felt the same about keeping and carrying weapons
     
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    According to you, yes.
    I imagine you believe this falls under the definition as well.
    Not sure this is supportable by the text in my citation, but that's up to you.
     
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