I am pro-gun - ask me anything...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by TOG 6, May 4, 2017.

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    when people ask me about line drawing I note three things

    the second talks about KEEPING AND BEARING. stuff a citizen normally cannot bear I would suggest might be protected by the tenth but maybe not the second

    anything that civilian police or LE officers are able to use in terms of weapons, clearly indicates that those weapons should be able to be freely owned by other civilians. I believe that the equitable concept of estoppel prevents a governmental unit telling us that some firearms are so dangerous no citizen can be allowed to merely possess them in their homes, yet that same governmental unit issues them for use in our civilian environment for self defense

    as to the nonsensical questions about Nukes, MOABS, etc, the second amendment was an attempt to guarantee the natural right of self defense. stuff like Nukes or MOABS or high explosive artillery shells are not useful for self defense
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    most legal experts refuse to admit that the commerce clause is not a proper end around the second amendment. rather they merely state that the rape of the tenth has happened. freedom of speech is a use issue not possession issue. you continually fail to understand the difference. you also fail to understand the difference between federal and state powers
     
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    Don't need to ask anything, but just want to make a statement. Beginning with a simple question. So, given the history of civilization is there any valid reason that average human beings should trust those elites who have always, to this very day, ruled over the masses? Can we trust other human beings who love to hold power over others, to be Philosopher Kings, highly intelligent, morally incorruptible, always doing what is in the best interests of the people they rule over? Next question. Can you realistically imagine a world where criminals do not exist? That is, a world where the stronger will not prey upon the weak, taking what they have, even their lives ,if it benefits them personally? Has such a world ever existed?

    If the answer to either of these questions if no, then do you want a country where only the people who rule over you are the only ones with the guns? Of course logically, rationally you would never want to disarm the people who are ruled over. For if history teaches us anything, it teaches us that no power hungry human being who rules over us can ever be trusted. Since this is the fact, allowing a nation's people to be defenseless is the height of human ignorance and stupidity. Our Founders understood this. Faux liberals cannot understand it, lacking the intellect to do so. We should never allow the stupidity of faux liberals to determine a matter of life or death. They are not fit mentally to trust such a thing. To escape the horrible nature of reality, they invent a non reality, to live in mentally, not being able to deal with reality. That is fine, if it helps them from turning into a quaking, nervous mess, but we must now allow them to make decisions from this disconnect from the reality they cannot face, head on. No more than you would trust the village idiot to fix your computer.
     
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    For no better reason that the 2nd limits the powers granted to the state, including the commerce clause.
     
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    Except under its original interpretation, the 2nd Amendment clearly covered cannons and other artillery.
     
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    You're a second amendment advocate...does that make you a racist? :)
     
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    No.
    No.
    Surely not.
     
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    Since you asked ME... Nope.
    :)
     
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    I'm always nervous to admit I'm pro 2A because it somehow ends up with me being racist
     
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    You need not suffer fools -- especially here.
     
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    Have you looked at the demographics of those statistics?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    judges and lawyers much smarter and experienced and knowledgable than you and I believe that the Founders did not intend the 2nd Amendment to mean no reasonable regulations are to be allowed, such as preventing dangerous persons from possessing firearms, possessing firearms in sensitive buildings like courthouses, etc
     
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    So it's a hobby. Have you ever had to use your weapon in self-defence, or to protect your family or property?
     
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    a shyster attorney defending a mope who mugged me tried to suggest I was racist for shooting his black client. I asked him if his client was racist for targeting a white man. The judge shut the attorney down after that and noted that the intended victim of the mugging (me) had no choice in the color of my attackers
     
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    In real life? Nope. The primary purpose for several of my firearms is self-defense.
    I have several other firearms that can be used in this manner, but are primarily for other uses.
    Nope.
     
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    There are many very knowledgable and bright attorneys and judges who believe the 2nd Amendment did not intend to ban reasonable and logical regulations upon firearm ownership and possession.

    Just as our Founders did not believe the 1st Amendment was without limits.

    "Congress shall make no law", clearly didn't limit them from passing the Alien & Sedition Act
     
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    find one that says that-you are making that up. stevens tried to claim in his Heller dissent that he could not imagine a federal government without such power and therefore it must have it. patent statist dishonest The founders and those constitutional scholars note that the STATES were the entities that were supposed to regulate such things That is where you constantly Fail, Ron. You don't understand the concept of federalism and that the founders never intended two sovereigns having the same powers
     
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    Is that because you live in a safe area, and take precautions like not travelling to a dangerous area after dark?
     
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    I have shot over a half million rounds

    some of those ended up

    1) getting me in the Rowland and ward record book for African game
    2) winning numerous shooting competitions including the US 20 and U national title in shotgun, several state championships, several selections to the all-american team, and hundreds of local events
    3) and I only fired one bullet in self defense. Now I have used a firearm, without discharging it several times for self defense
     
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    do you tell attractive women not to wear short skirts, spiked heels etc?
     
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    um, every single Federal judge who has voted to uphold May Issue rules, Assault Weapon bans, bans on the felons possessing guns, Gun Free Zones, bans on the mentally ill possessing guns, etc etc etc
     
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    I'm not qualified to answer as to why no one has tried to attack me while on the street or in my car, or break into my house while I am home. Maybe it's my body odor?
     
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    I was talking to Tog.
     
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    You're an intelligent person. You should be able to say that.
     
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    do you realize how stupid that argument is Ron. I want you to prove your claim. and as to carrying firearms in public, those are invariably STATE restrictions and again, you are unable to understand the difference between federal and state powers
     
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