I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

You realisevof course your legislation will not stop abortion being performed on request legally

Look up UK abortion laws. I know I live in Queensland Aus and our laws read much like what you have written and yet we virtually have abortion on demand

 

You can hear a babies heart beat at 3 weeks old. Why would anyone want to murder a living breathing baby? It's wrong on every level.

 

Section 4- Sackeshi shall have the position of Vaginal tissue inspection coordinator and personally delve into the female genitalia to affirm and designate the guilt of each woman as to this legislation, upon very close inspection looking and feeling for possible tool or other artificial foreign object manipulation reporting results to the office of sexual affairs for prosecution management.

 

Section 4a- Funding shall be set aside for the Inspection Coordinator Recovery Depositary Account to invest in any and all medical expenses incurred as a result of spousal enragement or bodily damages resulting from such directed at said inspector before, during, or after performing duties required to enact inspection of female genitalia. Charges against the offending spouse will be issued by the newly formed POH (pissed off husband) department of the attorney generals Abortion Prevention Officer.

 

Section 4b- In order to simplify and enact section 4 of this legislation the office of pregnancy monitoring will require all United States physicians to immediately report pregnancy to the Fetal Monitoring Agency and personal drone issuance promptly activated. All pregnancy tests will be created with the required radio transmitters to inform the FMA of the need to begin tracking. Failure to report will result in prosecution and removal of license to practice medicine.

 

Really? Heard of discipline called "Embryology"? One of the best sites on the web is UNSW Embryology. I suggest you check you facts next time because this



Does not have a heart beat

This is carnegie stage 9 end of third week


Can you see the heart?

 

How about supporting those things known to reduce the abortion rate like ,oh! Reliable effective contraception, paid maternity leave, child support that allows a living income......
Need I go on?

 

While this is completely inaccurate, you can hear the heartbeat of every cow before it becomes your Big Mac and said cow had more cognition and autonomy as a living being that any ZEF ever will. You might want to evaluate your Pro-Life position with this in mind.

 

You forgot that Pro-Life is very subjective and involves ONLY the 8-9 months of human gestation....once born and an actual baby it becomes a tool for criticism and persecution for poverty stricken females and part of the problem with society.

 

I love how completely ignorant so many are. While the heart tube starts developing around week four it is NOT at that stage a four chambered adult heart. It twitches rhythmically as all myocardial tissue does but again that is not an organised "heart beat"

 

Every one of us began from a dot. A fertilized egg is roughly the size of the period at the end of this sentence. The momentous meeting of sperm and egg generally occurs in one of the two fallopian tubes. One cell becomes two, two become four, and so on—an exponentiation of base-2 arithmetic. By the tenth day the fertilized egg has become a kind of hollow sphere wandering off to another realm: the womb. It destroys tissue in its path. It sucks blood from capillaries. It bathes itself in maternal blood, from which it extracts oxygen and nutrients. It establishes itself as a kind of parasite on the walls of the uterus.

• By the third week, around the time of the first missed menstrual period, the forming embryo is about 2 millimeters long and is developing various body parts. Only at this stage does it begin to be dependent on a rudimentary placenta. It looks a little like a segmented worm.

• By the end of the fourth week, it's about 5 millimeters (about 1/5 inch) long. It's recognizable now as a vertebrate, its tube-shaped heart is beginning to beat, something like the gill arches of a fish or an amphibian become conspicuous, and there is a pronounced tail. It looks rather like a newt or a tadpole. This is the end of the first month after conception.

• By the fifth week, the gross divisions of the brain can be distinguished. What will later develop into eyes are apparent, and little buds appear—on their way to becoming arms and legs.

• By the sixth week, the embryo is 13 millimeteres (about ½ inch) long. The eyes are still on the side of the head, as in most animals, and the reptilian face has connected slits where the mouth and nose eventually will be.

• By the end of the seventh week, the tail is almost gone, and sexual characteristics can be discerned (although both sexes look female). The face is mammalian but somewhat piglike.

• By the end of the eighth week, the face resembles that of a primate but is still not quite human. Most of the human body parts are present in their essentials. Some lower brain anatomy is well-developed. The fetus shows some reflex response to delicate stimulation.

• By the tenth week, the face has an unmistakably human cast. It is beginning to be possible to distinguish males from females. Nails and major bone structures are not apparent until the third month.

• By the fourth month, you can tell the face of one fetus from that of another. Quickening is most commonly felt in the fifth month. The bronchioles of the lungs do not begin developing until approximately the sixth month, the alveoli still later. http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml

 

I am too tired to argue this tonight but I was sure it was 3 weeks. If I am wrong I will admit it. I saw the pics bower bird posted and I am not convinced. It is still murder any way you look at it. The baby is being born inside the mothers womb thus it is life being created and to kill that living thing is murder. A person and a cow are two very different living things. God made us above animals. I am off to bed.

 

You are clearly wrong

 

No baby can possibly be "Born" inside a woman....that is an oxymoron.

 

At that point it is still only a potential

Many things can and do go wrong

 

Like all Constitutional Amendments that ATTEMPTED to legislate MORALITY this one is just as DOOMED as Prohibition. DOMA was another FAILED attempt at legislating MORALITY!

Let's review the HISTORICAL FACTS behind the Constitution and the BoR so they cannot be disputed.

#1 Abortion was LEGAL when this nation was formed and the Constitution and BoR were ENACTED and RATIFIED.

#2 The RIGHT to an abortion is covered under the 4th, 9th and 10th Amendments.

#3 The "Right" to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" does NOT apply to a FETUS per the 14th Amendment. A fetus has NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS whatsoever under the Law of the Land.

#4 The RvW SCOTUS decision UPHELD the Constitutional Right to an abortion on demand within the 1st trimester. It granted the States very LIMITED powers to regulate abortion in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters. It STIPULATED that no legislation can be passed that will endanger a pregnant woman's life and/or health.

Having established both the LEGAL and FACTUAL basis that the OP omitted we can now address the FALLACY of the proposed "amendment".

Abortion is a MEDICAL procedure that applies exclusively to WOMEN. Any amendment that DISCRIMINATES on the basis of gender is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

The right to travel is fundamental and to place restrictions on women being able to travel is UNCONSTITUTIONAL DISCRIMINATION.

Given that 50% of all pregnancies end in MISCARRIAGES how many INNOCENT women are going to imprisoned because they could not prove that did NOT have an abortion? Conversely how is the State going to be able to prove that a miscarriage was induced rather than occurring naturally?

In essence the OP is trying to ENFORCE their MORALITY without any actual knowledge of any the facts or legal ramifications of what is involved.

If anything is "doomed" it is the perverse "moral mindset" of those who believe that they can FORCE women to give birth to unwanted children.

 

How easy it must be for a man to support abortion law, with the relief of knowing that none of it could ever apply to them.

 

When it's "living and breathing" on it's own no one can kill it so I have no idea what you're talking about ...

 

I also want run away parents jailed for 18 years or until they agree to parent their children.

 

What is "descression" ?


Why can't you address posts that prove you wrong ?

I mean there are a lot of them (most of them ) but you could try to actually address a few.....wonder why you haven't?

Just here to spout off?

 

If the fellow progressives would surrender the abortion issue we could focus on scandinavian/Nordic schooling and sex Ed that has gotten to 6/1000 teen pregnancies by simply answering all questions about the human body truthfully from 1st-12th and making it clear its perpose and that it's an adult and thing

 

I did with the added section. Since they were in the same category.

Also you know what that word is -_-

 

Start another thread, then. This one is about abortion law- something that couldn’t apply to you, something that can’t work without incredible intrusion on women’s bodies. You still haven’t actually explained how the government would monitor women for signs of pregnancy.

You really want the government the right to look into a women’s medical records because maybe she looks pregnant? You’re really not concerned with the precedent that might create in terms of government interference in everyone’s medical records? I mean, once they’ve earned the right to search a women’s medical records, what’s to stop the government from deciding it can look into men’s medical records for whatever reason. Fair is fair, right? If we can do it women, we can do it to men, right?

 

WTF was THAT!????

Try again in English...….and then explain why you think doctors who perform abortions will have large signs outside their clinics advertising the fact....

...and address post # 8...…..

 

You can't even tell me what "descression" means? So you came to give a speech....OK..guess it doesn't matter that you don't like the facts too much.