I'm getting my Moderna vax this week, and I thank OBAMA

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  1. nopartisanbull

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    Quote: ''I got both shots of Pfizer about a month ago.......''

    Please dont cry.....

    The reason why you got both shots of Pfizer is due to;

    ''Project Lightspeed''.........https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/project-lightspeed

    AND an advance purchase order of $2 billion with Pfizer to manufacture 100 million doses of a COVID-19

    QUESTION: Why the United Kingdom was the first country to receive million doses of the Pfizer vaccine?

    ANSWERS:

    1. Because UK's Regulators were the first to approve the Pfizer vaccine

    2. Because they've also made ''an advance purchase order''

    3. Due to UK's Warp Speed..........https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3226


    Pfizer-BioNTech[edit]

    The BioNtech project to develop a novel mRNA technology for a COVID-19 vaccine was called "Project Lightspeed", which started in mid-January 2020 at BioNTech's laboratories in Mainz, Germany, just days after the SARS-Cov-2 genetic sequence was first made public.[48] In September 2020, BioNTech received €375 million (US$445 million) from the government of Germany to accelerate the development and production capacity of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.[49]

    Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said that the company decided against taking Warp Speed funding for the development of the vaccine out of a desire "to liberate our scientists [from] any bureaucracy that comes with having to give reports and agree how we are going to spend the money in parallel or together".[50]

    On July 22, Operation Warp Speed placed an advance-purchase order of $2 billion with Pfizer to manufacture 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine for use in the United States when the vaccine was shown to be safe, effective, licensed, and authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).[51][52][53] Because it is a two-dose vaccine, this would be enough to vaccinate fifty million Americans. (Pfizer contracted to sell twice that amount of vaccine to the European Union.)[54] On November 9, the Pfizer-BioNTech partnership announced positive early results from its Phase III trial of the BNT162b2 vaccine candidate, and on December 11, the FDA provided emergency use authorization, initiating the distribution of the vaccine.[55]

    Pfizer initially said it was not a participant in Operation Warp Speed because it did not accept taxpayer funds for research and development, but the White House said the government's advance-order purchase for a hundred million doses of vaccine made Pfizer a participant.[56] Company representatives said in November that "the company is part of Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential coronavirus vaccine,"[57] and that "Pfizer is proud to be one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine."[58] A spokesperson for Pfizer, however, clarified that they had "not taken federal money for R&D",[59] but rather its partner, BioNTech, had received substantial funding for accelerated vaccine development and manufacturing from the German government.[49]

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    NOW, in reference to; TRUMP deserves credit for the Pfizer's vaccine development, and production due to the fact "WE GAVE THEM AN ADVANCE PURCHASE ORDER?

    Answer; Absolutely not!

    ANALOGY...........

    Let's assume MALARIA is contagious......BREAKING NEWS; 15 Americans were hospitalized, patients complained about headache, muscle aches, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea...........Next day, test results reveal MALARIA..........Mr. President, a pandemic may unfold.

    TRUMP; I need to stockpile 332 million hydroxychloroquine tablets right fooooken now........Trump calls Big Pharma

    Big Phama; Mr. President, we've sold out!

    TRUMP; What do you mean by ''we've sold out''

    Big Phama; EU Government just bought the whole stock

    TRUMP; When will your next batch be available?

    Big Pharma; According to our production schedule, 75 million tablets before the end of this month

    Big Pharma; But Mr. President, I must warn you that the UK and the Canadian Government also want to place an order, near 150 million tablets, thus, approx. two months of production, AND Boris/Trudeau were more than willling to give me cash advances.

    TRUMP; Well, foooook them! Here's my ''American First'' offer to secure 332 million tablets;
    TRUMP; 332 million X $6 a tablet = $1.99 billion
    TRUMP; I'll wire you $1.9 billion today! Deal or no deal?

    Big Pharma; It's a deal

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    QUESTIONS;

    1. Will TRUMP be credited for defraying the cost of Big Pharma's production?

    or,

    2. Will TRUMP be credited for saving lives?

    Anticipated answers from above average intelligent posters; He will be credited for saving lives

    Anticipated answers from the below average intelligent posters; He will be credited for defraying the cost of Big Pharma's production.
     
  2. Cybred

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    To prevent the spread.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a difference between government supported social programs and having a socialist government. The US economy is based on capitalism.
     
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    NOTE; Anyone can pre-ordered, prepaid, and stockpiled a new product that has yet been approved by Regulalors, if they eagerly want to be the first recipient. Thus, why Trump pre-ordered, prepaid and stockpiled the Pfizer vaccine? Answer; AMERICAN FIRST! and due to the fact that many more nations wanted to be first, thus, due to a global competition.

    NOTE; Anyone can pre-ordered, prepaid, and stockpiled a new product that has yet been approved by Regulalors, if they eagerly want to be the first recipient. Thus, why Trump pre-ordered, prepaid and stockpiled the Pfizer vaccine? Answer; AMERICAN FIRST! and due to the fact that many more nations wanted to be first, thus, due to a global competition.

    NOTE; Anyone can pre-ordered, prepaid, and stockpiled a new product that has yet been approved by Regulalors, if they eagerly want to be the first recipient. Thus, why Trump pre-ordered, prepaid and stockpiled the Pfizer vaccine? Answer; AMERICAN FIRST, and due to the fact that many more nations wanted to be first, thus, due to a global competition.

    QUESTION: Should Trump be credited for the development of the Pfizer vaccine? NO
    QUESTION; Should Trump be credited for Pfizer's existing manufacturing sites in the U.S.? NO
    QUESTION; Should Trump be credited for Pre-odering/pre-paying/stockpiling a vaccines that weren't approved? YES
    QUESTION; How many more nations have pre-ordered/prepaid/stockpiled vaccines that weren't approved? 5

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    I didn't realize giving money to farmers was a social program.

    Yes, our economy is based on capitalism. Hopefully it stays that way for the most part but regrettably it doesn't seem to work in all facets...in my humble layman opinion.
     
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    That's what the Vax does, so again why the mask?
     
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    And this time last we were all looking at 3 - 5 years, Trump was being mocked by the MSM for saying we would have it sooner. A 2 - 3 year DEPRESSION was predicted. Thank you Trump administration and Operation Warp Speed. Too bad Biden can't bring himself to admit it.
     
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    Not how I read it at all and the emergency had been declared the travel restictions put in place, again for which he was HIGHLY critized as unneeded because COVID wasn't a problem and it was just Trump being Xenophobic. I knew in February how dangerous it was, you didn't?
     
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    From the inventors of Turducken, ObaTruDen vaccine has something for everyone. All the benefits if a vaccine without the side effects of giving a crap about who got credit.
     
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    ATTENTION all those who have received both shots of the Pfizer vaccine.......

    YOU should be crediting;

    1. Bill Gates; Due to the fact, Bill Gate's CEPI funded both BioNtech and Moderna's mRNA technology BEFORE and AFTER Trump was elected President.

    2. BioNtech's Project Lightspeed..........https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/project-lightspeed

    3. The German Government

    4. Pfizer; For manufacturing and shipping BioNtech's vaccine......https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet

    Note; What a phooooken huge company!

    5. Trump/Operation Warp Speed for pre-ordering, pre-paying, and stockpiling a vaccine that wasn't approved.

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    ATTENTION all those who have received both shots of Moderna's vaccine..........

    YOU should be crediting;

    In chronological order........

    1. The Obama Administration; For funding Moderna's R&D. Note: Moderna's partnership with the U.S. Government/with several Agencies existed BEFORE Trump was elected President

    1. Bill Gates; Due to the fact, Bill Gate's CEPI funded Moderna's mRNA technology BEFORE and AFTER Trump was elected President.

    2. Bill Gates again; For partnering with Moderna BEFORE President was elected President

    3. Bill Gates again; For funding Moderna's early stage development of its Covid19 vaccine, and the cost of manufacturing its Phase I Clinical batch.

    4. Lonza who is manufacturing Moderna's vaccine

    5. Trump/Operation Warp Speed for financing Moderna's late stage development of its mNRA vaccine.

    6. Trump/Operation Warp Speed for pre-ordering, pre-paying, and stockpiling a vaccine that wasn't approved.

    7. Trump/Operation Warp Speed for Moderna's vaccine shipping logistics............
     
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    Nope the vax gives you immunity, doesn't prevent spreading.
     
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    AND

    Pfizer-BioNtech Covid19 Vaccine U.S. Distribution FACT Sheet

    • Pfizer is working closely with the U.S. government, including state officials, on vaccine distribution, and we are very grateful for their partnership.
    • Pfizer is a proven, reliable multinational vaccine producer, supplying vaccines to more than
      165 countries. Pfizer manufactures more than 200 million doses of Pfizer vaccines annually and is one of the largest sterile injectables suppliers in the world, producing more than 1 billion sterile units per year.
    • Our track record gives us confidence in our ability to quickly scale, manufacture and distribute large quantities of a high-quality COVID-19 vaccine, leveraging multiple sites in the United States and Europe. We have experience working with customers with different infrastructures in all markets.
    • During the initial stage, our contracts are with governments, and we will be providing doses according to their preferred channel and designated vaccination locations, subject to regulatory authorization or approval. We seek to work with governments to support distribution to their defined priority groups, and we anticipate that points of vaccination will vary but may include hospitals, outpatient clinics, community vaccination locations and pharmacies.
    • We have developed detailed logistical plans and tools to support effective vaccine transport, storage and continuous temperature monitoring. Our distribution is built on a flexible, just-in-time system, which will ship the frozen vials direct to the point of vaccination.
    • In the U.S., our distribution approach will be to largely ship from our Kalamazoo, Michigan, site direct to the point of use (POU). We also will use our existing distribution center in Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin.
    • We will be utilizing road and air modes of transportation in the United States, where we expect to be able to get product to any POU within a day or two.
    • We also have developed packaging and storage innovations to be fit for purpose for the range of locations where we believe vaccinations will take place. We have specially designed,temperature-controlled thermal shippers utilizing dry ice to maintain recommended storage temperature conditions of -70°C±10°C for up to 10 days unopened. The intent is to utilize Pfizer-strategic transportation partners to ship by air to major hubs within a country/region and by ground transport to dosing locations.
    • We will utilize GPS-enabled thermal sensors with a control tower that will track the location and temperature of each vaccine shipment across their pre-set routes, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. These GPS-enabled devices will allow Pfizer to proactively prevent unwanted deviations and act before they happen.
    • Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:
      • - Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
      • - The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice every five days for up to 30 days of storage.
      • - Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.
    • After storage for up to 30 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of up to 35 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen conditions.
    • The various storage options at the POU allow for equitable access to the Pfizer vaccine to areas with differing infrastructure.
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet
     
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    LOL, once we we are all vaxxed, according to Fauci we must still practice safe distancing and wear a mask, maybe toll 2022 and beyond.. Ya it's really is that odd ;)
     
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    As stated in Pfizer's Distribution FACT Sheet; Pfizer is working closely with the U.S. government, including state officials, on vaccine distribution, and we are very grateful for their partnership.

    Anticipated response from a few sick minded partisan people; ''In other words, Pfizer was part of Operation Warp Speed''.......Thank you Trump/OWS

    Pfizer; Mr./Mrs. State Official, where do you want us to ship 10 million doses?

    Mr./Mrs. State Official; At this location

    Pfizer; Thank You

    NOTE: You partisan people, I know you so well
     
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    In response to the above......

    ''Yeah, but Pfizer's Distribution FACT Sheet states that Pfizer will be utilizing air modes of transportation, thus, probably an airplane chartered by the U.S. government, and paid by Operation Warp Speed''

    If so, who desperately need the vaccine, and is willing to pay for the transportation cost?

    Note: You partisan people, I know you so well
     
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    Your just whining......

    What's your point? We shouldn't be lauging/mocking Trump when he makes a prediction? That we should congratulate him when he's right, and keep our mouth shut when he's wrong?

    Like I clearly stated;

    QUESTION; When will a Covid19 vaccine be avalaible?

    Expert # 1; It could take 5 years
    Expert # 2; It could take 3 - 5 years
    Expert # 3; At least 18 months

    NOTE; Prior to announcing early results of a Phase 1 Clinical Trial, any predictions about when a vaccine could be made available..........IS A SHOT IN THE DARK.

    Mr. Bluesguy, should we criticize the experts who've made predictions prior to the initial results of Moderna's Phase 1 Clinical Trial?

    Read the following;

    May 18, 2020

    Early results from Moderna vaccine trial show participants developed antibodies against corononavirus

    Study subjects who received Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine had positive early results, according to the biotech company, which partnered with the National Institutes of Health to develop the vaccine.

    If future studies go well, the company's vaccine could be available to the public as early as January, Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna's chief medical officer, told CNN.

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    Fauci Voices Cautious Optimism About Moderna Vaccine, Calling Trial 'Quite Promising'

    May 22, 2020

    Dr. Anthony Fauci expressed "cautious optimism" Friday about the initial results from a coronavirus vaccine trial — which were widely celebrated this week — and said it remains "conceivable" that a vaccine for the deadly pathogen could be available by the end of the year.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...t-moderna-vaccine-calling-trial-quite-promisi

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    COULD BE AVAILABLE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.........If Phase 2 and 3 results are highly favorable

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    THUS, prior to May 18, 2020, thus, prior to Moderna's Phase 1 initial results, if Trump predicted we will have a vaccine by year end/early January, THAT WAS A SHOT IN THE DARK!

    Even after announcing Moderna's Phase 1 initial results, Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna's chief medical officer, told CNN

    ''If future studies go well, the company's vaccine could be available to the public as early as January''

    By the way, it wasn't the first time that Trump made a shot in the dark prediction, for example;

    '' Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away''
     
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    Who remembers this?

    Last February/March, at a rally, and during a press conference, Trump PROUDLY displayed the ''Johns Hopkins International Preparedness for a Pandemic''

    AND Trump stated; ''According to said study/report, the U.S. is the most prepared nation to handle a pandemic''

    My reaction back then; That was UNWISE........Expression; It might come back to bite you in the arse some day''

    My reaction today

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    Correction; The U.S. economy is based LARGELY on capitalism.

    Private or Public ownership of a means used to produce and deliver goods and services

    GDP; The total value of goods produced AND services provided in a country during one year

    Public ownership in the U.S., mainly provides services

    Private ownership in the U.S., mainly provides services

    Percentage Private sector's GDP and Public sector's GDP Ratio; Approx. 85% and 15%
     
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    My cursory understanding is that they have developed a type of vaccine template, which will allow new vaccines to be readily developed. The old style of vaccine uses a dead version of the virus, which came with some risk. The new kinds use messenger RNA to get the cell to build a protein that is unique to the virus, and trigger an immune system response.
     
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    Five years ago I was saying that Xi would run circles around the Trump. When the Trump became president, one of the first things it did was to put tariffs on Chinese products, as a way to beat China in a trade war. In the end, the trade deficit with China increased. In the trade war, China won, the Trump lost.
     
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    giggle giggle
     
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    Bluesguy, in reference to Trump calling Covid19;

    a. The Chinese Virus

    b. Kong Flu

    Which of the following headline/title/term may lead to discriminatory behaviour, and/or animosities?

    a. The U.S. Financial Crisis

    b. The Yankee financial crisis
     
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    I don't think Bluesguy will answer my question.......he knows that in this forum, I set people up.

    However, had he answered (b.), here's my follow up;

    Good answer!

    Definition of Xenophobic; ''having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries''

    Question; Was Biden right?
     
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    and for your info.....

    Update; Current percentage of Private and Public GDP

    The U.S. economy is based LARGELY on capitalism, however, what's our current percentage of Private GDP and Public GDP?

    1. Private ownership of a means used to produce and deliver goods and services, and its
    total value of goods produced and services provided during one year

    2. Public ownership of a means used to produce and deliver goods and services, and its
    total value of goods produced and services provided during one year

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    Next, The four components of gross domestic product are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports.

    https://www.thebalance.com/components-of-gdp-explanation-formula-and-chart-3306015#:~:text=The four components of gross,being spent in that economy.

    Government spending;

    Goverments Transfer Payments, mainly social assistance are excluded in the GDP accounting because they produce no output and are simply a transfer of funds from one private individual to another.

    However, Government Consumption Expenditures and Gross Investments (GCE) are included in the GDP accounting, and its accounting formula; $1 GCE = $1 GDP

    THUS, what's 2019's Federal/States and Local Government Consumption Expenditures and Gross Investments?

    Federal Government Consumption Expenditures and Gross Investments; $1.493 Trillion

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGCE

    States and Local Government Consumption Expenditures and Gross Investments; $2.346 Trillion

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLCEA

    Total Federal/States and Local GCE; $3.839 Trillion

    Current Dollar GDP ; $21.43 Trillion

    https://www.bea.gov/news/2021/gross-domestic-product-fourth-quarter-and-year-2020-second-estimate

    Thus, $3.839 Trillion/$21.43 Trillion = 18%........Private; 82%

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    Note; From 2009 to 2012, percentage of Public GDP was higher due to Uncle Sam's common stocks ownership, thus, when socialism rescued capitalism.

    Perhaps said NOTE might agitate several Republicans, however, it is an indisputable fact, for example;

    General Motors;

    Majority Shareholders; Uncle Sam
    A presence on the Board, and numerous restructuring/compensation demands
     
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    None and have no idea of what you speak, what Yankee financial crisis, what U.S. financial crisis the ones Biden's policies threaten us with?
     

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