I'm Pro-Gun, Change My Mind

Americans have always been less passive than British subjects. Nevertheless, all crime, including gun crime was lower in the UK before the gun ban that encouraged criminals to arm themselves. Perhaps you prefer The Independent which informs us that the UK is the 'most corrupt place on Earth'.

THE INDEPENDENT, UK 'most corrupt place on Earth' claim backed by campaigners, By Adam Lusher Tuesday 31 May 2016.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...uption-centre-campaigners-claim-a7058126.html

 

It proves plenty. The murder rate in Europe was far higher before guns or gun laws ever existed, so clearly firearms and firearm laws have nothing to do with the murder rate in Europe.

 

It clearly shows that despite all the gun control regulations, ban on automatic weapons, and registration of firearms did not stop the homicide rate from doubling over a 12 year period.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/hist/con-eng.htm

 

If the one variable was all that was in play, we could go with your conclusion.

I suspect that, ceteris paribus, keeping down the number of guns reduces the murder rate and that we're higher than most of Europe because we have more guns around.

 

Yet as I indicated, the murder rate in Europe was much the same in most areas back to the 1750's. Scandinavia for example has the same murder rate it did before gun laws even existed.

In the US, despite vast reductions in firearm laws and a vast increase in firearm availability since the early 1990's, our murder rate has plummeted.

The only metric in the number of murders committed in a country is the number of people in that country with the desire to kill others.

 

Canada doesn't have much of a gun murder problem and would have even less if there was a serious crackdown on gangs at the same time there was an end to the insane "war on drugs."

The long gun registry was a complete waste of time and money. I don't see anyone seriously thinking of bringing it back, either.

 

I don't agree with this latter comment. I do think that having more guns around results in a somewhat higher murder rate, but the gun murder rate isn't our most serious issue.

I'm not sure open carry is going to be a good idea. People who don't like guns aren't going to like seeing a lot of this...



I think it evokes a lot of irrational responses.

 

Well, unless you're talking about Quebec. I heard their next step is a handgun registry.

Eventually maybe they'll come to the realization that criminals don't register firearms.

That's the main reason a gun registry is pointless. I don't know about Canada, but in the US you can't be charged if you're caught with an unregistered firearm, as it would be self-incrimination.

 

Well the highest prevalence of firearm ownership in the US by state is:

• 1. Wyoming - 59.7%
  
• 2. Alaska - 57.8%
• 3. Montana - 57.7%
• 4. South Dakota - 56.6%
• 5. West Virginia - 55.4%
• 6. Mississippi - 55.3%
• 6. Idaho - 55.3%
• 6. Arkansas - 55.3%
• 9. Alabama - 51.7%
• 10. North Dakota - 50.7%

Murder rates 2016

1. Wyoming - 3.4
2. Alaska - 7.0
3. Montana - 3.5
4. South Dakota - 3.1
5. West Virginia - 4.4
6. Mississippi - 8.0
7. Idaho - 2.9
8. Arkansas - 7.2
9. Alabama - 8.4
10. North Dakota - 2.0


Doesn't seem to be much correlation, as most of those states are well below the national average.

Open carry of rifles is something I agree or disagree with depending on how and where it's done.

It's important to remind people that just because they see a gun doesn't mean the person with it is violent, but I'm not a fan of walking into restaurants with slung weapons.

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Canada has a constitution and federal system, so Quebec can go their own way on gun control.

There's no long gun registration in Canada.

 

There is in Quebec.

 

I don't know how we get around the open carry issue. Some people are going to be very unhappy no matter which way it goes. The only thing I can think of doing is have a national firearms license that makes it more difficult for bad guys to carry a weapon legally, thus providing some assurace people openly carrying firearms are "good guys." Beyond that, I'm at a loss. It becomes a zero sum situation where someone loses.

 

I guess you're right. I think it finally started this year.

 

Yeah but it's already illegal for felons to own guns, let alone carry them.

If criminals have guns, it's because government has failed to do it's job with the power it already has.

 

Indeed.

The point I was trying to get across is that the prevalence of firearm ownership is not an indicator of murder rate.

A gun is only used for murder when it's in the hands of a person who has no respect for human life.

 

I'm not sure allowing interracial relationships in public is a good idea. People who don't like interracial relationships aren't going to like seeing that.


^ That's why no one cares what you're pushing.

 

It's certainly part of it. I said I want guns to be RADIOACTIVE to felons, gangbangers, and those guilty of misdemeanour assault. Maybe almost no one would bother carrying for self-defense if we got serious. How about ending the insane "war on drugs" and make room in the jails for "bad guys" with weapons.

 

Project Exile.

The problem is that while many people want laws they don't want to send criminals to jail.

The problem is that criminals, even without guns, tend to attack their victims in twos and threes. Even without guns, they're still going to prey on people.

 

Non sequitur.

 

I am not pro or anti gun. I think regulations won't have a dramatic impact in the US. I think hopes and fears about gun control have far more to do with ideology than any careful review of US history. One think I am sure, of, any law on guns and its impact will be modest at most.

 

It's the same sort of argument and has the same merit.

 

Non sequitur is latin for the other poster did not agree with your argument, but had no counter argument.

 

We have to remove them from polite society. I'm not a big fan of brutalizing them in prison, but they have to be isolated until they can and will behave.

Predators should be stopped.