Immigration

Of course, Trump doesn't want Canada to turn back illegal immigrants coming through this country and moving on to Canada because they fear the Bloviator-in-Chief and his Nasty Gnome AG.

The reality is that we can't accommodate everyone who wants to come here even if they have a compelling personal story. Our debate should be around who and how many we feel we can help. This back-and-forth with increasingly hateful finger-pointing on both sides is hurting this country.

 

No surprise given that there was no solution for illegals already here, sometimes for years. As well, Republicans more distant from the firing line failed to ride to Arizona's rescue. They hire the few illegals coming their way and shrug.

We need an effective e-verify system for the entire country, and that's only part of the solution. I don't live in Arizona, but I've been there and tried to see and appreciate the problem. It was wrong of parts of the country not as impacted by illegal immigration to brush aside Arizona's solution.

 

The rejoinder is asking them "how many" and how we deal with those we can't help. As long as you don't say help no one, you'll put them on the spot.

 

Well, that's nice, but allowing any decent person who wants "in" to come here is unrealistic.

 

Liberals have no way of stopping 1 million illegal aliens from entering the country

You dont like the wall and complain about deportations

 

First, all but a small area of Africa is not made up of immigrants. The America Indians displaced an earlier peoples to boot. They are far from "native Americans", there is no such thing.

Legal immigration is being bunched in with ILLEGAL Invasions. There is BIG difference between the people you let in through the front door, and a burglar who enters through the basement window.

 

The lot is full. We cannot get enough fresh water into the west any more. The Midwest aqufiers are drying up, Atlanta and New York and New Jersey cannot get rid of their garbage.

The Damn lot is FULL! Get a clue!!

 

Illegal immigration is still illegal, they should be put out to sea asap.

 

We admit around one million legal immigrats each year

Much of the is family unification aka chain immigration

Only a few are high achievers who can make a contribution to our economy

And illegal aliens are 100% not needed

They are a complete drag on our ecenomy and our society

 

It is how we operated for most of our history, so yeah, pretty realistic. I get criminal background checks and assurances that the migrant can either support themselves or has someone here to support them, but that's about it.

 

Sorry, the lot is FULL. We already have a population crisis here at 324 million. Overcrowding will turn this nation (and it is already starting) into an China, an India, a Bangladesh. This really what you want for a nation for your grandchildren?
I am a libertarian, but also a Nationalist. The very part of being a libertarian is for maximum freedoms, but overcrowding DESTROYS those freedoms. You cannot have it both ways.

 

We've heard that concern when we had half the population we do now. We're fine. In fact, given the age of our population, economists worry about our workforce shrinking soon and not producing enough children to sustain growth. Sorry, but all you are doing is echoing the same concerns xenophobes had about your ancestors when they moved here. We have less than half the population density than any country you mentioned, dude.

 

We are far from overcrowded and, I'm sorry, but I've heard the "We have to abandon libertarianism in order to protect libertarianism" argument before, and it is still complete nonsense. There is nothing remotely libertarian about government-forced population control. What you are pushing for is more nativist than nationalist, and there is also nothing libertarian about nativism. You are literally sitting here arguing for less freedom.

 

Sorry, but the more people you have in a space, the less libertarian it becomes. If you live alone in a house, you can do pretty much what you want, sing aloud at 3 A.M. in the morning a bad song, a true libertarian philosophy. Add a wife and you have less freedoms, add 6 children and two inlaws and you have a lot less freedom. Add 50 more people, and your libertarian ideals are DEAD, because what you want becomes conflicting of what others want in a confined space.
You only think you are a libertarian, but in actuality you are a socialist. That paragraph I just made above proves it. More people, less libertarian possibilities. Sorry, you don't seem to understand cause and effect of libertarianism and overcrowding.
You have to think it through. YOu may THINK you want libertarianism, but if you are sitting on a California freeway with 6 lanes, doing 10 MPH, is libertarianism, you have not thought it through.

 

Don't tell me I don't like "the wall" when I've repeatedly said we should have an enhanced physical barrier.

 

At least we agree on that,

 

The blindness is strong in you.

I literally just provided a link with the White House proposal, and what?

 

Then you don't know what libertarianism or socialism means. Your fake law of population leading to less freedom is a fantasy. And our population density is closer to Canada than it is China or India. The arguments you are making about overpopulation have been discredited by libertarians since, well, libertarianism.

 

Back in the late 1800's the United States was emerging as a manufacturing giant and needed workers to fill those jobs. Today our manufacturing is increasingly moving off shore, where is the need for uneducated people moving here today?

 

Manufacturing jobs are hurting more from technology than from global trade and we have tons of areas where we could use more unskilled labor, such as agriculture. Immigrant working populations tend to gravitate toward either low-skilled labor or very high-skilled/educated labor, which complements the native workforce well.

 

Consider, we do have immigrants coming to the US every year - legally. These immigrants want to work and assimilate into our cul;ture; they want their children to be Americans. My wife of 45 years is a legal immigrant and a naturalized citizen.

Then there is the flow of illegal and criminal invaders from the south; these invaders are not immigrants - they are here for the welfare, housing, medical and food benefits they have never earned, but the Democrats insist on giving to them. The little good they provide in cheap labor is lost to all of the crime and disease they bring with them. Bed bugs, lice, tuberculosis and polio have all made a return to our nation thanks to these invaders. The open borders have resulted in the free flow of drugs, weaqpons and contraband into our inner cities who are in a state of constant war. The sooner we build that wall and put the boot to these invaders, the better we will be.

 

Please.......there are less than 1 million unskilled agricultural jobs in the US, why on earth do we need 15+ million people to fill them?

 

AMEN!!!!

 

Why do you assume 15+ million people would try to fill them and why do you assume demand for unskilled labor would remain stagnant if more workers were available?

 

Malaysia, being all of one sect of islam will not allow the other sect to come into their nation. Out of intelligence, given they understand the nature of two sects hating one another and they want to avoid problems. They are more intelligent than the leaders of western nations. They refuse to create inevitable problems for their nation, their society. Wisdom. Call it racism if it makes you feel better. Or more apt, sectarian islamaphobia.