Ingraham and Fox take on Bill Gates

Please sir, put me on ignore right now today.

 

Is this a joke? Gee, I thought you were just wrong, but now I see you are living in candy land.

 

I'm not accusing you of lack of respect for science.

What I'm responding to is your accusation that Gates didn't talk about China enough.

I don't see any reason that Gates should have talked about China at all. His message has been focused on what we need to do to fight pandemics including the one we are experiencing.

We need to be prepared regardless of the source. We moan about China not reporting fast enough. But, there are other Asian countries that can not to as well as China did. And that's true for many countries in Africa and the ME - several of which have also been the sources of viral disease. Plus, we need to be prepared for the possibiility of an actual bio attack.

 

Gates should have acknowledged how China lied about the virus spread and fatality rate and called to work on his and Fauci's partnerships with China to avoid future similar outbreaks mired in deception. China communications would have alerted Gates et., al sooner.

 

By the time travel with China was shut down it didn't even matter - it was already here and was coming from other places as well.

The situation in the USA is that for most states, the source of the virus was New York/New Jersey, not China.

While we shut down travel with China (and later with EU nations) we have done nothing at all about travel within the USA.

Today we can look at the strains of the virus that causes COVID19 and see which ones are in our various cities and thus track the travel of the virus.

What that shows is that even west coast states have most of our cases of COVID19 coming from strains from the east coast - not China. And, that is the source of the strains that are present just about everywhere else in the USA.

We went to Spring Break. We went to Mardi Gras. We called the information we got from China a Democratic plot against Trump, and ignored it for too long.

WE were slower than China was. And, that is STILL quite arguably the case.

 

If you want to play semantics have at it. For anyone to get it HERE someone in China brought since we have loads of travel back and forth.

The world didn’t know anything unless China released it or certain people tried to leak it. And a certain doctor who blabbed is dead now. If you want to believe he died of the virus, be my guest. But that’s NOT Chinas MO. China eliminates dissenters and makes them disappear. Nothing has changed since ancient times over there.

And you’re right. We shut down travel too late but how could we have sooner without China letting us know what they knew before the allowed it to spread throughout the world?

 

I just don't see an logic in that at all. He's not part of ANY investigation of what China did or did not do. And, there is NO substantiation of your conspiracy theories about the Wuhan lab. That lab has been totally cleared. Plus, they have done incredible work in learning about SARS and its huge number of variants almost all of which have not crossed to humans yet.

The knowledge Gates can contribute is about how to fight pandemic - something he does know about.

BTW: Why would you think Gates would be considered a person who needs to be "alerted"?

 

We didn't shut down travel until Feb 2.

We had been given FULL information from China well before Feb 2.

By the travel ban it was here. At that point, the entire focus needed to be on what WE do here. And, we didn't close travel with anywhere else in the world until later, causing most of the NYC virus strains to have come from Europe.

Now as we track the strains of this virus epidemiologists say New York was infected mostly by travel with Europe.

And, most of the rest of the USA has been infected by those strains - not strains that came directly from China.


I'd also point out that tens of thousands of trips from China had taken place by the end of March or so, and they continue today. The same is true with Europe. The bans have words in them that make significant travel still allowed. If you want to check this out, try booking a flight to London or some place and then read the messages concerning who is restricted. Plus, there are no restrictions on travel to other locations that certainly do have COVID19.

The COVID19 problem is OUR problem. Some bat (or whatever) started it in China, but there is no justification for whining about that.

 

When you make accusations like that you need to cite some actual evidence.

Making blatant, serious unsubstantiated accusations is just NOT good enough.

 

Experts are saying it originally came from a CCP bat. The Wuhan lab knows of thousands of other SARS type viruses that are being carried around by bats, but which have only entered the human population a few times in recent history.

It looks like the path it followed was to Europe and then New York. From there, it spread throughout the USA.

One exception is WA, where a little over half our cases came from China and the other nearly half came from New York.

CA was also an early entrypoint - the first US case may have been in CA, not WA. I havn't seen the results of investigations of how much of the CA COVID came from China vs. New York.

 

I know the virus did not come from Wuhan lab. I said it did not and it is NOT man-made.

Please be careful quoting me as you are attributing claims to me I never made. I, in fact said the exact opposite.

I am referring to China arresting whistle-blowers, hiding how widespread the virus was, and lack of communication with our scientists.

 

The "Fauci partnership with China" is the Wuhan lab. And, you claimed that was crooked - even though you have NO evidence of that. I stand by my post.

Analyzing the blow by blow of China's response is NOT a job Gates would ever accept - it's not the type of work he does. There have been (and are) epidemiologists and other experts from around the world that are working on that problem. And, China isn't as open about it as we would like.

BUT, there is NO reason to ask Gates about that.

NONE.

 

China DID let us know! We just didn't do anything about it for a month.

Plus, we didn't shut down travel from Europe, so almost all the COVID cases we have today are of strains that entered the USA from Europe - NOT China.

But, even that isn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that we allowed COVID to travel all over the USA. We did Mardi Gras. We did Spring Break. We did all sorts of other travel without taking any action on the issues of ... travel.

And, Trump has never seriously backed the measures CDC and other medical science experts say is necessary.

That even includes the measures in his own plan for opening our economy.

 

You are all over the place. I'm referring to Chinese scientists reaching out sooner to Fauci about the spread of the virus. You are not carefully reading my posts, not digesting what I'm saying, and you are distorting my position.

Yes, we can ask Gates about that since he is working directly with epdemiologists.

When you work as a software engineer you would no doubt answer questions about syntax/semantics and documentation, no?

 

China told us very late. It was US intelligence who warned Trump, but Trump ignored these warnings .

 

You're still posting claims that need to be answered by people who are investigating what went on in China. And, your claims still relate to the Wuhan lab.

Gates is not working with those investigating that went on in China. Just being an epidemiologist does not mean working on that problem. There is a broad need forr epidemiology.

If you want to accuse me of something, I'd appreciate it if you would just say it.

 

We are part of WHO. Notification of there being a problem came in December. It just wasn't that clear what the whole problem was then. By January 12, we had the full genome and the complete scoop from China.

As you point out, what was far more late and under our control was OUR response.

But, I don't even see justification in asking Gates to comment on OUR response as it has been. What we need from him is his experience in fighting communicable disease - what we need to do now and for the future when this happens again.

Wuhan scientists have written papers published in prominent scientific journals concerning the major resivoir of SARS type viruses in China, work on how to identify which are more likely to cross, etc.

This WILL happen again. And, we can not afford another fiasco like this one. The Wuhan work is seriously important and we absolutely should support it. We need information for people like Gates to help determine what we can do now and how we should prepare for the future.

 

Chinese officials from WHO were late to the US then Trump denied it for months.

 

You are misinformed.

 

WHO gave warnings to the US as well.

Plus, let's remember that the primary path for this virus was to Europe, then to the US through New York and then spreading by domestic travel.

Even WA got 40% of our COVID from strains that came through New York - not directly from China.

Again - WE were slow. And, we still are. Blaming China for something just doesn't really work, unless the idea is to find a way to forgive Trump for his continuing total failure.

 

Nicely vague!

 

I answered all the specifics, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

So did I!

In the end, there is no justification for being upset with Gates.

There has been no complete investigation of China, so making accusations is too early.

OUR problem is how to fight this pandemic in the US. And, we have been FAR slower than China has been. And, our strains of COVID came from our open European borders and spread because we have no domestic travel policy.

 

The Right wing version of the War on Poverty, Throw a hand grenade into your local shelter.

 

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