Is anti trans all Christianity?

Define “perversion” and where in the Bible it is mentioned

https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality

 

It is almost invariably done by a team. This is a huge improvement over previous interventions with intersex children and babies born with ambiguous genitalia. Many of those were operated on in infancy “assigning” a gender (usually female) even going to the extreme of removing testes and ovaries. This was often done by a urologist/surgeon pressuring the family to do “what was best” for the baby. Thing was those kids grew up and a large proportion were shocked to find that the reason they did not feel comfortable as that gender was that they were not actually that gender at all

 

I think Christian leaders are part of it, but it's more than that. America has become very tribal and divided between left and right. The right relies upon a coalition of people who want strong defense, or low taxes, or social policy that seeks to homogenize our society or impose Christian values. To stay together, they try to get on the same page on most things. With being anti-trans, they are appeasing not only the Christian (or pseudochristian) elements of their party, but also the people in the party who simply dislike others who are different. The people who seek a less diverse society. In the extreme form, they are white nationalists, but it includes more moderate positions than that too. These people are concerned about the loss of power and influence of white men, and seek to slow or stop diversity and acceptance of other lifestyles. Some of the anti-trans rhetoric if very similar to the anti-gay rhetoric in past decades. They feign concern or have actual concern about harming children (or women) in the process of accommodating trans rights, but in most cases I think they're just using it as an excuse for prejudice, whether consciously or subconsciously.

 

Some of the change is the neurobiological evidence through MRI and PET scans of brains

 

The rate of paedophilia among trans is the SAME as for cis gendered

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/...ngerous-bigoted-lie-targeting-lgbtq-community

Grooming is a process that takes time - and for you to influence someone into believing they are another gender would take a level of skill a international spy network would sell secrets to get

 

I think most people who are anti-trans are Christian, maybe not all Christians are anti-trans but I think the majority of Christians are.

 

I disagree that I am being combative. I am honestly trying to be respectful. I was getting you and another poster confused because one of you jumped into the conversation, and neither of you have a photo so I was confused. I’m a new poster. I wouldn’t say that I think you hate transsexuals. You have said nothing notably, malicious or hateful. But I don’t think that you would be protective of them if they were facing discrimination and government organized hate and persecution. I realizing that say this may offend you, but I can’t help but be honest. I saw Trump elected and I’ve learned to not trust my neighbors with my rights or my status in this country.

 

I never made a single mention about pedophilia.

Nice leap.

And when it's a child, no, it really doesn't take that much time. That's exactly why the left goes after them.

 

yawn

 

It seems you are only taking issue with the phrasing that I used.

It's very clear that this was a political statement on the part of Bud Light. As has already been explained to you, you don't put something like this in an ad that might cause you to lose viewers/sales/etc unless you are making a statement. This went directly against much of their target audience and there is no way they didn't know it.

Pick a different phrase if you don't like the one I used, but the point is still the same.

 

If you read the DSM and how a delusion is defined, a gender based delusional disorder would involve a person looking in the mirror, and saying I am a woman, even though the person is actually a man. They would see a different gender despite evidence of the contrary. It would be like me telling my son that he’s going through puberty and him telling me that he’s going to start his period soon and is excited to grow up to be a woman. Delusions persist, despite evidence to the contrary. Delusional people see things that aren’t there and they believe things that cannot be proven, and this is why transgender people are not delusion. Saying, “I feel like the opposite gender I was born,” isn’t anymore delusion than saying, “I feel like I am 20 again.”

The transsexuals I have interacted with know they’re not actually the opposite gender. They don’t have delusions that they really are the other gender. If they were honestly delusional, they wouldn’t be seeking affirmation by surgically transforming themselves and caring about passing.

 

Exactly. I know that they’re scientific testing that proves what transsexual say, which is that they feel like they are the other gender, and there’s been tests to prove that their brain structures often resemble what they say about themselves.

 

If that were true then youths identifying as transgender wouldn't be so different in different regions of the country.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

Sorry, but New York youths identify as transgender at a rate 5 times that of wyoming. That absolutely would not be the case if what you were saying were even remotely true.

 

Honestly, when have Christian’s ever kept their religion to themselves? Ever?

The issue I have is that many people that state black / gay / trans / religions other than what they adhere to is being pushed in their face simply because those people exist and are represented.

Pushing it in someone’s face would be mandatory lessons or icons in schools or public places, I disagree that just having representation is pushing it in anyone’s face.

 

I wonder if many black people would be offended being lumped in with the other deviants.

 

The same arguments you are using today against gay people were once used against black people.

According to the definition of the word — not adhering to the “usual” — blacks would be classified as a deviant in terms of skin color, red heads would be also, as would religious minorities.

Fascinating that you believe that is an insult

It’s interesting how people with similar views keep using the same arguments throughout history.

 

I did read your link and I just reread it. I don’t think it’s a very good article because it’s very repetitive, so I read other articles. I still don’t agree with your assumptions. I don’t agree with how you’re presenting the article. Most articles I have read do not classify apotemnophilia people as suffering from psychosis or delusions. It seems there’s been a lot of studies and diverging opinions on this. Sorry, but I don’t think you’re treating the material in this article honestly. As usual, I suspect that you’re prefer using your own personal definition of delusional, and you’re insisting that are scientific consensus on an issue where they’re clearly isn’t. Of all the studies that I have read, there’s 2005 study by a by an American psychologist that links the disorder to gender identity disorder, but he also clarifies that neither conditions involve delusions or psychosis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4094630/

It seems some of these people have undergone voluntary amputation, and I don’t know what the outcomes are, or the success rates, but I personally don’t see a problem with it if it’s not hurting anybody else.

 

Some of what change?

 

The DSM defines delusion as a strong false belief despite evidence to the contrary. Nowhere in the DSM does it say ANYTHING even remotely related to your statetment of "a gender based delusional disorder would involve a person looking in the mirror, and saying I am a woman, even though the person is actually a man. "

It says nothing of the sort. If you have something that says that, I invite you to provide a link to prove your statement.

The delusion involved here if it IS going to be called that, is the internal belief that they are supposed to be a woman but their body just says otherwise, which is the underlying premise behind their entire push to become a woman...which is so that their body will match their mind. That fits the DSM definition of delusion. I realize they currently are not calling it that, but the argument is whether that was a proper change to make. To insist that your supposed to be a woman despite all evidence to the contrary can very easily be labeled a delusion.

As I told you earlier, I sold an atypical antipsychotic for many years. I have had countless conversations with psychiatrists regarding all manner of psychotic symptoms, and I have had countless hours of training in the area of psychosis and how it relates to the DSM. This does not mean that I know everything there is to know, but it does mean that I know far more than most in matters of various forms of psychosis. It can very easily be argued that this fits the DSM definition of delusion. It used to be considered a delusion. There is a very legitimate argument on this topic. For you to act like there is no merit to that argument is entirely bereft of reality. I understand that there is an argument that it is not a delusion, I simply respectfully disagree with that argument.

 

Not religious here.

Don't think we need nanny state government, but I don't think parents should be cutting off their daughter's breasts either. I think children is where the real issue is. If an adult wants to cut off his leg, penis or anything else I say go for it for all I care. Who am I to stop you from mutilating your adult self? It's your body.

 

I didn't cherry pick that article. It was merely the first one I came across.

If you feel the medical community should amputate their limbs on demand, then you and I disagree. I dont see that as compassion at all. You are taking a highly troubled person and increasing their troubles exponentially.

I dont believe most people would agree with your position. I think the general consensus is that removing healthy limbs would violate the physician's Hippocratic Oath of "above all, do no harm".

 

If you think that is bad, you probably don't want to know what Islamic leaders say and do to the LGBT community.

 

You should see what they do to Christian’s — it’s way worse

Not sure why you believe Islam in third world nations is relevant to this discussion though unless you are trying to compare what American Christian’s wish they could do to the LGBT community, is that it?

 

It is difficult to be against something that is largely a figment of someone else's imagination. However it is not at all difficult at all to be against butchering little kids for fun and profit.

 

Well, I think that the government should watch how colleges market degree programs in sociology and gender studies. It looks fraudulent to me.