Is Atheism a logical belief?

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    For example, Bill Maher is opposed to capitalism. For example, progressives are opposed to capitalism.

    Difference between Maher and progressives is Maher isn't as authoritarian as progressives.
     
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    The haters of organized religion tell all atheists what to do.
     
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    After participating in this thread, I also realize my post is wrong...That being logical and devoted to facts is just a smokescreen that atheists throw out there to, I guess, prevent people from realizing that atheists are actually just bigoted towards organized religion for whatever reason. Atheists aren't noteworthy...They're just bigoted.
     
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    When someone refers to a righty, they're referring to that righty's love of capitalism...PERIOD. A lefty refers to someone who objects to capitalism.
     
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    I think there needs to be some definition or explanation at this point.

    I say that atheism and agnosticism are based upon "fact" while god-worshippers based their faith on superstition. That god-worshipers follow superstition is obvious and needs no explanation. Atheists base their disbelief on the "fact" that is no proof of god therefore there is none. Agnostics base their conclusion on the same "fact" that there is no proof of god but as there is no proof that no god exists either are willing to allow the possibility of there being a god. Suffice it to say that I (an agnostic) am fairly convinced that Judaism/Christianity/Islam are all BS. Isn't superstition always BS?

    EDIT: Let me clarify my last statement. "God" according to Judaism/Christianity/Islam is BS. If there is a god then it isn't a Jew, a Christian, or a Muslim so "it" must be something else.
     
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    There is no proof of our higher natures of conscience, love, sorrow, inspiration, etc. Yet we know within ourselves of its existence. So we take it for granted as part of nature. And even though we trace our roots to our Parents and to theirs on back to the earth. Yet there is no tracing our higher natures. Science mills about at the prospect, shuffling and snorting as if at a sheer cliff or magic wall. Is it BS to know right from wrong, and to choose the right for the love of truth. Yet it is all spirit. Whether Atheist, Agnostic, or Theist, we are brothers in this truth. Is God then our divider, and good men esteemed as fools to evil men, merely by our adherence to higher matters.
     
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    The emotions you speak are measurable and backed up (proven) by science so there is no question of it. That also holds true for the emotion one might feel for "faith" in god. But that is only the emotion. There is no scientific proof of god .... and PARTICULARLY there is no proof in any of the biblical fantasies. Science has disproved such fantasy.
     
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    Nonsense. Conscience and love cannot be proved or addressed by science. In source, it is unfathomable. And yet it is our guidance and motivation 24/7.
     
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    Love is the emotion felt for another person. Do you deny that? Brain scanning can detect a reaction affiliated with emotion. Do you deny that too?
     
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    After effect isn't cause, anymore than ones victim is ones justification.
     
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    So, you don't believe there is an emotion felt by one person for another person (called "love" in the English language) or the ability for science to measure brain reaction to emotions in general? Very interesting.
     
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    all science can provide is 'hey look something is happening in the brain'.
    Morals et al, science cant touch because science does not directly address value calls.
    You can use science to support 'your' value call but it does not work the other way around.
    Huge misconception by neoatheist to think science addresses value.
     
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    Measuring brain activity doesn't measure the cause or purpose.
     
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    Who said it does?
     
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    for all you know the emotion detected is an emotion of hate not love, just because science can detect emotion has nothing to with any association specifically to love, it could just as easily be an emotional response to his noodle or her tata's, you wold not know the difference. Neither does it 'account' for love, love is outside the boudaries of scientific analysis.
    How about this....'what is love'?
     
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    Statistically speaking, there is nobody who opposes capitalism.

    And, let's remember that Maher is a conservative - and more importantly he is one individual and he doesn't have an alternative to capitalism.
     
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    This is abject nonsense.

    Once again, from a statistical point of view there are no anti-capitalists in America. We absolutely believe in capitalism.

    I think where you are getting confused is that you think that to be a capitalist, one has to believe that every problem we face is most appropriately solved by capitalism. But, this is just plain and obviously false.
     
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    here we go again, there is no such thing as 'none' in statistical analysis wil.
     
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    When the division gets performed showing the resulting percent of those who oppose capitalism, the answer is too near zero to matter.

    And, that is the point.

    I said "statistically speaking", because I'm really tired of those who come up with some individual they think hates capitalism and then pretend that means something.
     
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    but you people always post before you think!

    Is the US socialist or capitalist?

    The U.S. is a mixed economy, exhibiting characteristics of both capitalism and socialism. Such a mixed economy embraces economic freedom when it comes to capital use, but it also allows for government intervention for the public good.

    Is the United States a Market Economy or a Mixed Economy? - Investopedia
    https://www.investopedia.com › ask › answers › united-sta...


    that is not remotely near 0 wil.
     
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    You're bringing up an entirely different issue.

    There ARE particular needs of citizens that WILL NOT be addressed by capitalism.

    It's not somehow anti-capitalist for there to be solutions created for those cases. This set of problems is far too important to simply ignore in favor of some suicide pact with capitalism.
     
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    So then some level of communism is acceptable for you, however that is not 0 wil as you claimed.

    Is the US socialist or capitalist?
    The U.S. is a mixed economy, exhibiting characteristics of both capitalism and socialism. Such a mixed economy embraces economic freedom when it comes to capital use, but it also allows for government intervention for the public good.

    Is the United States a Market Economy or a Mixed Economy? - Investopedia
    https://www.investopedia.com › ask › answers › united-sta...



    The US has a socialist party wil, though capitalism is the prevailing party in the US, socialism is far from 0 statistically or otherwise.

    see the top section b and disb

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    You're getting confused.

    Nobody wants to replace capitalism, statistically speaking.

    If you want to disagree, start by citing some stats.
     
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    your claim its zero man, cite them!
    Id be hard pressed to believe anyone in the commie party wants to keep capitalism.
     
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    You want me to cite nobody! lol.

    If you think there is some noticeable percent of Americans who want to end capitalism, then YOU need to explain yourself, including sizing the number of citizens who believe that.
     

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