Is California on its way to banning rodeos? Behind the growing movement to buck the event

And, I'm saying that is a ridiculous accusation for the reasons I stated.

 

~ The biggest circus in California is the State Legislatures in Sacramento ...

~ It sounds like you are referring to the bull fights and Rooster rings in Mexico and Spain's running of the bulls ..?

 

I don’t think we should torture animals for amusement. Horses love having a job, being a jumper, a workhorse a trick horse; as long as the human listens to the horse, no issues. I don’t think bulls sign up for torture, though. Neither do greyhounds.

 

What you TOTALLY missed is that the post was trying to single out California.

What other countries do is not an excuse for America.

Every state has laws against purposefully harming animals.

 

OMG, You are so misinformed. That does not happen. lol
How would I know? Because I was an owner of the Alltel Wireless Championship Rodeo and we were the official rodeo of the Kentucky Derby and held the East Coast World Finals in Charlotte.
The ruff stock are supplied by stock contractors. If you mistreat one of their prize bucking stock, you will be lucky they have an ambulance on sight. These animals are treated way better than the beef you find in your supermarket. In fact, they are prized possessions and are hand cared for every day. They get the cleanest water, the best feed, grains, and hay to help them develop and stay strong.

And the stock used for those events are bread for it and they do what is natural for them. And they don't get their balls tied tight. They use a flank strap on the rear of their belly. All it does is make them kick higher.
And no, they don't us electric prods to make them buck. Any stock contractor that attempted that would be banned from all events. And if a stock contractor caught you doing it, well, lets just say you would most likely take a ride to the hospital.

 

Thank you for the information. I’d prefer not to be laughed at while being educated, but that’s a personal preference.

I’ve always heard that and it’s never once been challenged.

So, this rumor started, at minimum, in the 70s, when I learned it. What happened here?

 

I was fully aware of that. The horse or bull is not going to end up with lasting damage. And, I fully believe that the reactions of the animal to that kind of activity are natural.

But, it's still not good enough.

 

I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing at the ole tale about tying up a horses balls.
So I will tell you what we do when we have an event where protestors show up. We invite them in prior to the show and allow them full access. And one of the first questions they ask is about tying up horse balls. I'm really not kidding. I have answered it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s. It never goes away.
So we take them to the bucking chute, put a bucking horse inside, and show them what a flank strap is. Its basically a fleece lined leather strap about 8 inches wide. When the horse go's out, the chute tender holds onto the strap and it tightens around the horses rear belly. If you did it to a trained saddle horse he will try and do the same thing. Kick it off.

Then when you see the pick up men go in after the cowboy to get him off the bronc, you will see him reach for the strap, which has a quick release knot on it. When he grabs it the knot comes apart, the strap falls away, and it calms the horse down.

These horses will buck without the strap but it does get them to kick a little harder. The cowboy gets half of his points for his ability, and the other half by the performance of the horse. So every horse gets the same strap to get more equal results. Its about the same reaction you would get by putting socks on a cat. Feels weird so they jump away from it or pick their feet up higher.

 

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

That is very interesting. Thank you. The best way to get skeptics on your side isn’t to be condescending when telling them they are wrong.

 

You're welcome. The problem with text is, you don't get to hear voice inflection or see reactions. What might appear as condescending to some might be just laughter.
Which I assure you it was.

 

When you realize how hard it is to admit we are wrong on the internet, I think it would serve us all well to apply more etiquette and less sarcasm, so that understanding may commence. I’ve no issue admitting I’m wrong or less educated on a topic. For others, it’s not even on the radar.

 

So did the Gladiators...apparently.

 

I'm pretty sure you mean the bulls. I believe a male horses testicles never descend outside of their body.

I mean I can't recall ever having seen a stallion with external balls but you can sure notice them on a bull.

My father is a farrier among other things... I grew up being a weekend custody kid and he used to take me horseshoeing and trimming so I was around a whole bunch of them as a child.

He's well into his seventies and still works with horses from time to time. He wanted me to be a farrier but it's not something that ever appealed to me. If they stay busy they make a ton of money though

Hears something many people may not know.... Dogs will fight each other to the death over horse hoof trimmings.... It's like doggy crack!

 

You will let us know when American Rodeos are butchering all the livestock in the arena for sport won't you.
lol

 

Agreed

 

This sort of talk would go over like a lead balloon here. We have the "Granddaddy of them all"

The annual state championship rodeo. It is a very big deal for this small town.

Thems be fighting words around here!

 

So, what do you reckon about bull fights......where the beast gets slaughtered by the Matador? Is that okay....justifiable.......merely BECAUSE they get the best water, feed, accommodations and randy cows to mount, or do you have some other explanation for their mistreatment...even if they get to kill the Matador?

 

So you tried to associate American Rodeos to Gladiators, now you're trying to associate American Rodeos to Mexican bullfights?
When you learn what an American Rodeo is, get back to us before you start associating it to whale hunting.

As for Mexican bull fighting, I root for the bull. I hope they take down every matador. Painfully.

 

Oh come orn.

You are not stupid and I know you are capable of understanding a direct comparison to get to a 'degree of mistreatment' point which is what I am making.

You say that whatever discomfort the beasts in a rodeo suffer...getting spurred etc etc etc...is all okay because they get well fed, and the best water etc.

I am challenging you to come up with a better excuse for that mistreatment. Can you meet the challenge?

 

Values change over time. It happens. If it didn’t, we would still be feeding gladiators to lions as a form of entertainment.

Like you I understand the excitement and spectacle of a rodeo. I understand the excitement and spectacle of bullfighting. But as values evolve, people begin to ask what cost that spectacle has on the animals.

 

More importantly and the bit you are leaving out is the long term effect on the brain of the riders

Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5773642/


Then there are the spinal injuries

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043745.htm
But go ahead - blame it on “wokism”

 

Have you read what plastic is doing to us? Look up “plastic and EDCs”. That is endocrine Disrupting Chemicals. Your endocrine system is the one that produces hormones like Testosterone…….

 

Have you seen McLeods Daughters or Heartland? As I understand from others on other forums, these are well received by those who know.

 

First off, digging or cutting spurs are not allowed. They can only use rounded spurs that roll on the flanks.
What other cruelty myths do you want me to put to bed?

When we load up the truck, the horses and bulls have to be separated in different pens and sorted before loading because they will fight to get on the truck and would load on top of each other to get in. Its like dogs running to get in your truck, they love to go.
They have no other requirement than two 8 second rides per month. Thats it.
They throw off a 160 pound cowboy and run for the center gate. Thats their only job. And in return, they are provided for better than any other livestock on the planet.

Now compare that to a working ranch horse working 7 days a week.