Is Christianity really as violent as Islam?

I think I can absolutely agree with you that in modern politics Islam is more violent than Christianity. This isn't to say there are not Christian regions that are violent in the modern world, but when we're talking about religious conflicts, the political climate of Islam is deadlier than Christianity by far. However, when we're talking about a historical stand point, I have to say that Christianity has been more violent than Islam. For perspective, here's a list of some of the deadliest holy wars in world history http://eskify.com/10-devastating-holy-wars/

Now this is for many reasons in my opinion, most notably Christianity has been the bigger religion for a longer period of time... and I don't mean to say this as smear or anything like that. Personally I'm not a fan of how people feel the need to drag one religion through the mud to defend another. My honest opinion on the matter is that today Islam is far more violent than Christianity, but historically Christianity has been more violent. The real cause of holy wars has less to do with religion and more to do with governments, like any other kind of war they are usually a conflict over territory. This is true whether you're talking about the Catholic church fighting the Turks, Protestants fighting Catholics, or Sunni Muslims fighting Shia Muslims. Political climate is the driving force behind religious violence

 

More so than you apparently. But the you still cling to ridiculous and utterly ahistorical idea that the Crusades were an unprovoked assault upon peaceful Muslim rather than what it actually was, a rather, tepid, tardy, and largely ineffectual response to nearly 200 years of assaults on various nominally Christian Western nations.

 

Most is politics, but much of it would not happen if they had the right spirit.

In the Old Testament (Torah) they would kill a stranger in proximity to their tabernacle, like not letting them approach the sacred mosque, there are too many parallels between the Old Testament and the Koran, for everything to be political. Some books probably got that way by politics...desire to keep doing what they were.

The most violent “Christians” are those that thump the Old Testament, like a preacher at the Fundamentalist Baptist Madrassa I remember who would hit the podium with his hand and the ring would make a loud boom, he spent 90% of his time in the Old Testament. If the preacher spends more time in the Old Testament than words of Jesus, the congregation is probably just “Christian” in name only. The Koran has no easy separation of ideals.

Following the spirit leads to freedom, following a book leads to tyranny.

 

The problem lies in what constitutes a Christian. Basically if it's a white guy who has celebrated Christmas(the vast majority of people living here), at any time in his life, then he's labeled Christian. Its VERY rare anyone kills anyone else in the name of Christianity or specifically Jesus, today. If you're a radical Muslim and you kill people, religion is motivating you. You're not just a killer who happens to be X religion. X religion motivates the killing.

If the MSM would report things properly, there wouldn't be this confusion.

 

I have not forgotten them. You certainly mention them enough. Six hundred million over five hundred years doesn't sound like an exaggeration to me, considering what went on. You do know what went on, right. You are big on history! But say is was only 300 million. It is still an atrocity.

The question is which religion is more violent and Islam wins, hands down.

That the Arabs were trading with India for a thousand years is an interesting factoid, but has no bearing on this discussion. The Muslims also traded extensively with Africa, importing an estimated 17 million slaves. And that is not counting the millions of Europeans and Slavs enslaved by Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

 

Well in regards to Islam not easily having a separation of ideas, there are a wide variety of Hadiths that are followed by different sects of Islam. While the Quran is considered to be the direct accounts from the prophet Muhammad, the Hadiths are considered second or third hand accounts, and thus they are more prone to ridicule within Islam. The thing I have discovered the more I've studied Islam is that the most extreme passages come from the Hadiths. For example, there are no passages in the Quran that say to kill homosexuals, and there are no passages that say to kill people for apostasy. These verses come from a variety of Hadiths, they're kind of like Islam's version of the old testament in that the verses are more extreme, but they also don't carry the same level of authority as the Quran

If we were to go by the Quran alone, I would say that the passages in the old testament are far more violent than the passages in Islam, but if we were to include a certain variety of Hadiths, the two would be about the same.

 

Source citation needed.

 

Islam began with the Prophet Mohammed around 600 CE. Prior to that, most Arab communities either shared multi-theistic beliefs, or borrowed from Abrahamic or Christian beliefs a monotheistic system.

 

But the New Testament is much more peaceful than either.

 

Well if its only the OT vs the Koran its a tie but the NT is very different

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Yes a murdering pedophile warlord who used religion to conquer or who would not submit

 

I absolutely agree with you there

 

Oh, yes, they most certainly were.

The only reason Christianity is not still violent is due to the fact that Napoleon crushed the Roman Catholic Church, and that both Protestant and Catholic churches have lost their powers over governments.

 

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Colonization of Africa and the Americas, prove that Christianity can be just as violent as Islam.

 

What to do with Homosexuals depends upon what you mean by exceeding the limits?

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YUSUFALI: "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males,
PICKTHAL: What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males,
SHAKIR: What! do you come to the males from among the creatures

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YUSUFALI: "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"
PICKTHAL: And leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are froward folk.
SHAKIR: And leave what your Lord has created for you of your wives? Nay, you are a people exceeding limits..."

The Hadith is leaves no ambiguity:

"Book 38, Number 4447:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done."

In addition, the Taurat leaves none either with regard to homosexuality:

"[5.46] And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).
[5.47] And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
[5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
[5.68] Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people."

These two together might are not too peaceful:

"[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing." "AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)"

As for apostasy, “posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM”:

I think it is more easy to find the apostate if they don’t keep up perfect prayer to be seen of men:

"5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...13&version=KJV

"[4.142] Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them, and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men and do not remember Allah save a little."

 

What the hell do bloody Christian crusaders in the dark ages have to do with terrorists flying planes into buildings and blowing themselves up in public places in the present time? I'm not getting the big picture I guess.

 

Well. Islam have a few percent Nationalism.

Christianity has more percent Nationalism.

Christianity are all three Nazi - Racist - Fascist.

Islam are only Fascist = Bosnia and Egypt.

Secondery in Christianity theres two Communism religion by Orthodox and roman Catholic.

White Christians are more Supreme morality.

 

Jesus was a victim of an inquisition.

 

Umm... What is your actual point? Because it appears to me that you just proved that Christianity has evolved because all of those "atrocities" happened hundreds of years ago whereas Islamic violence still carries on to the present day in the form of terrorism.

 

Islam was created in dictatorship, Christianity has no government, nor does Christianity have a chosen people:

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YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors.

 

No, Christianity is the light in the world, Islam, the darkness.

How many Christians of late have taken trucks and ran over dozens of Westerners? How many Christians have shot-up gay bars and office Christmas Parties? How many have gone on killing rampages against their fellow troops like in Ft. Hood?

I can openly laugh in the face of anyone who doesn't understand that it was Western Christians who first began charities like Almshouses, and the Red Cross. Christians were the only ones doing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_organization

 

Do you really think Jesus would approve of any of that ?

Im sure Mohamed would approve of ISIS however

 

Not big on history, are you?

The poll shows how much of a failure our school system is and how dishonest the MSM is.

Christianity was started by a strict pacifist who declared religion has nothing to do with government.

Islam was started by a sociopathic mass murderer pedophile rapist warlord.

The Empire of Islam was and still is the largest oldest empire in the world, though currently has numerous internal conflicts. Islam also is responsible for the greatest level of murder with it estimated 270,000,000 people were killed in the expansion of the Empire - in terms of percentage of world population would equal approximately 2 billion today. Not even the great genocide when Europeans came to the Americas, the majority of those deaths by disease and not driven by religion.

Islam is the religion of war, conquest and forced conversions. It always has been.

 

Margot2's not listening he/she will forever equate Catholic church atrocities in the 14th century with Muslims burning people alive and posting it on the the internet. Christians stopped doing that crap a few hundred years ago OK?

 

I am hard rock fans does meant I am Fascist or something else when I does not hate muslims ? I think also rap is great music. So I am Fascist and white in same ? Nazi have outlandish as enemy or black but I doesn't hate black but I likes muslims more than black. Over 500 from religion Islam my town. 1000 people in village close my home. With nothing resistence in white Christians. An Nazi and Fascist village. Close to mine here is gangs biggest problem. They want to hurt only Nazi. Then maybe 40-60 outlandish want to fight every Nazi come close to. Old friends are no longer with me even I does not against muslims. New muslims my town perhaps better. I never meet him I dumb in education. An roman Catholic mulattos. A father from Iraq. Second half are polish. Poland I likes a few percent of countries. Old friend want to kill me before if I say no to follow his outlandish church how were Rome Croats tell me but I dumb my polish + mulatto friend. He is Anti white America and liked Saddam and Bin Laden and more terrorist. He allways want rap stars to rule USA. A polish rule to kill every does say no to outlandish church. Polish are falsehood even they can win if white Christians say no to wrong church. Polish thinks they win after they kills white Christians. Polish was falsehood since WW2 when they does not win against Nazi Germany since 1939 they want to alert on white Christians. This is falsehood from polish in Sweden even our government takes in polish from Poland. Or polish will where falsehood against a few white Christians ? A God will punish my God hate posts after once eating through me very false to hearing on voices how controls me far from. I say to Gud to take away my voices maybe he listen on my voices truble. It was clear early this day then they come back in backwood. Far from is falsehood when Jesus Christ help theme even they perhaps are Christian women I will no change me from hard rock and my muslim accept I am hard rock and Fascist ?!

 

So you also blame the indigenous people for their being invades and virtually wiped off the face of the earth too, correct? Or do you have no clue the history of the expansion of Islam and the crusades?

The expansion of the Empire of Islam killed approximately 270,000,000 producing the largest and older war and conquest empire in world history, an empire that exists thru today.

The CBS poll demonstrated just how uneducated in even basic world history the majority of Democrats truly are.