Is religion a from of evil in disguise?

Since there is no god, then there is no...."of god"=good
Since there is no devil, there is no....."of the devil"=evil
PROVEN.

 

You do realize that just because they have etymological origins in religion doesn't mean that the concept of "good" necessarily requires "God", no more than "gay" can't mean "homosexual" because it hasn't always, right?

 

Then what you are advocating is the idea that it is OK to kill as long as you claim insanity. Such as the case of the Murrah Building bombing which had no basis in any religious activity. Interesting. Religion and or morals did not get involved until it came time for the trial, judgment of the court and finally the execution.

 

Sorry, but, when used by religious nuts good means of god and evil means of the devil, that is how I am referencing it.

 

I am advocating that it is OK to kill when you have to. What I am SAYING however is that WICCA is the only religion which teaches HARM NONE.
There are many reasons to kill, some valid, some no so much. But to claim a religion which teaches HARM NONE is your reason, is not going to happen, unless you are stark raving kookooooo. However to claim that you killed because your religion, which says genocide is OK, ie, Christianity and Islam, does not require insanity, just blind ignorance and hatred.

 

Well then I am talking about moral and immoral.

 

When WICCA refers to "harm" what meaning does WICCA place on that word? Please don't come back with your subjective thought of what you think WICCA means in using that word, but come back with some documentation from the highest source of WICCA wherein WICCA is giving meaning to that word "harm". Even some government agencies are still having difficulty in making an all encompassing definition for the term 'harm'.

Your statement was:
"All other religions teach, 'my way or the highway'. That is harming those that do not agree."

"harm :
verb:
abuse, adulterate, afflict, aggravate, attack, be malevolent, bruise, cause pain, corrode, corrupt, cripple, damage, debase, deface, demolish, devastate, disfigure, disserve, do evil, do mischief, do viilence, endamage, exacerbate, hurt, ill-treat, ill-use, impair, incapacitate, infect, inflict injury, injure, laedere, maim, mar, misuse, mutilate, nocere, pervert, plague, pollute, ravage, ruin, scathe, scourge, smite, spoil, subvert, worsen, wound, wrong immediate family.

One who exercises his legal rights, injures no one."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harm

Now please explain how my preaching of a doctrine which potentially carries a message of "my way or the highway" has created any harm to you. If it is my legal right of free speech to preach such a message, then you cannot claim that you have been 'harmed'.

Now, as for your claims that the Christians have killed in the name of religion, I do believe that you are gonna have to prove that the people involved in the alleged crime are or were in fact Christians. Can you prove that? You will need to show affidavits from those people attesting to the fact that they are Christians.

 

What about those jainists? I don't know enough about them to state that they teach not to harm anyone, it's mostly about not killing as far as I know, but I figured I might as well have you explain it rather than me having to go out of my way to look it up.

 

If killing while being Christian is the only criterion for validating the claim that killing is done in the name of Christianity then Tomteapack has a very easy task ahead of him.

Somehow I have a hunch that you will not accept this criterion of yours.

 

Is the pope Christian?

 

Moral and Immoral, by whose standards, mine, yours, Osama ben ladins? Are we discusing hitlers morals, or Stalins, Chun Kai Shek, who?
Morals are NOT immutable things, they change from time to time, place to place, society to society and person to person.

 

According to Gerald Gardner, the founder of Wicca, the phrase "do no harm" means to not do any mental, physical or emotional injury to anyone. If that is not good enough, I suggest you again resort to a dictionary.

When you say:
My way or the highway and then try to get your way pushed into law, as Christians are doing every day in every state, you are harming my legal, emotional and metal states. When YOUR Christian President starts (in his words) a crusade against muslims that ends with one million dead muslims and 5000 dead Americans then you and your "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY are harming literally a million people, including me. The killing of anyone for no reason is harmful to me and my mental and emotional outlook, as it should be to everyone. Bigotry towards anyone is harmful to me, hatred is harmful to me, and those things are what religions teach.

Oh, and the Oklahoma bomber was a Christian, as his pastor testified in court. Also as he testified in court, and he also testified that it was a violation of his god-given rights to tax him, which is why he killed. BECAUSE OF HIS GOD

 

Well, Jainism predates Buddhism and is strongly believed to have had great influence of Buddha and his religious creation.
While the basic tenets of Jainism do say not to harm others, when you get a bit deeper into the religion, that is not quite so true. Jainists are permitted, and even encouraged to become warriors to protect their nation/society.
In the end Janism is like Buddhism, in that it preaches one thing and allows many others.
I have never noticed in Wicca any exception to the rule of "HARM NONE". There may be one in some Wiccan cults, but, I am not really that familiar with all the varieties of thought. My personal acceptance of Wicca comes from the tenet, "DO NO HARM" and the fact that at may Wiccan Gatherings, there are many nude women. I find avoidance of harm and naked women to be wonderful things.

 

Oh, so it's okay if you have a reason?

Do you support taxation?

 

Non sequitur bait. Saying that killing for no reason is not ok does not mean that any reason for killing is ok.

I'll wait to see where this bait is leading but it doesn't look more promising than the one above.

 

Surely, there are Jainists who oppose the war part of it as well and would thus teach against that, surely, there are some who preach against all kinds of harm.

Similarly, there should be Wiccans who preach other things than to really do no harm? I don't wish to put unfair blame on Wiccans or to distort their message but such a large religion/otherwise would probably have those with a more Machiavellian stance towards not doing harm.

Thus, in both religions/otherwise, there is a mix. A very different mix, but both should exist and deserve mention in this question.

Then again, I suppose there are Christians who preach no harm, even though I doubt that they take it to the same practical extent as others.

 

Good and Evil...the subjective concepts that religions...especially Christianity...have used as a stick to beat their "flock" into submission...literally.

Is religion Good or Evil? I suppose it depends on your perception of the 2...and the religion.

Personally...I'd feel quite justified in classifying all 3 Abrahamic religions as pure evil. These beliefs are an ingenious mixture of truth and lies...sound familiar? They are designed to control the masses and have used extreme violence in order to establish their bases.

Again...sound familiar...?

 

You're talking about what people believe is moral. I'm asking about what actually is.

 

You must be a Creationist Freeware! You know that some Creationist do not think that killing is okay for any reason!

 

Yes, if you have a legitimate reason such as legal execution, military combat, self defense, then yes killing is fine, acceptable, and a OK.

And yes, I support taxes, in fact, they should be much higher than they presently are.

 

So then you really do think it is okay to do harm to others.

 

Nothing is ACTUALLY moral, or immoral. At one time or another, anything man has ever considered has been moral, and in other times immoral. There is no ABSOLUTE morality. Morality is what the local society says it is, nothing more.

 

Of course I do, lol, I am not a nice person. I am not Wiccan, nor will I ever be one. this started as a statement that IF I had to join a religion, of any kind, it would be WICCA. I find the concept of not harming is attractive, not that I would or could ever live up to it.

 

Perhaps you want to address my scenario where there are two Muslims. One flies the plane into the building and cites Islam as the driver. The other condemns the action, and says Islam does not allow this. Which is the religion speaking - A, B, or Neither? If Neither, then WHAT is the religion?

 

I see more evil in the spirit of human nature then I ever have in the name of religion. I don't consider faith in Jesus Christ a religion myself, although some religions do profess faith in him.

But the worst part about religion is oftentimes it's a time waster. If you're wrong you're wrong and look at all that wasted life.