Is the young generation lazy?

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  1. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    The larger any group the less individual responsibility to be found within.
    Wait until the day you need to deal with the IRS on a matter. You will then understand the non accountable black hole known as beauracracy.
    When your young your world is ruled by authority, parents, teachers, professors. Regimented answers are easy to find, incorrect answers perhaps but answers nonetheless.
    Once you move beyond that age bracket mistakes are yours to make or not.
     
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    That's not necessarily true. The responsibility is still the same, if not greater due to the number of people involved. The responsibilities though gets spread out. It's not just one person doing something, it's many people. And the organization has a face to it as well. It becomes their responsibility to manage their workers, just as much as the elected official has to look after them. It doesn't matter big or small, in the end the story is still the same. There is a responsibility to lead, and a responsibility to forward the group.
     
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    When it comes to government beauracracy there is no accountability. What did we learn from Lois Lerner pleading the fifth? It was her job to lead and manage yet she is unaccountable for anything that happened there.
     
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    Well yeah it's the government.
     
  5. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    This is an issue. Nobody becomes a scientist in 3 years. It takes time and patience to get to master your craft. Then you do the awesome stuff. I know times are tough but it takes a tough mind to get through these times and make a difference. Everything you said is poor me poor me. Fight and figure it out and do the best you can. Don't just give in before you ever start.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Let's look at comparable examples of the past. In sports Joe Frazier just didn't giv e Ali the Championship because he was the greatest of all time. He went toe to toe with him and actually beat him the first time. Even people like Charles Barkley and Karl Malone didn't just give up because Micheal Jordan was playing they fought tooth and nail to uncrown the Bulls and almost did. It took everything for Jordan to stay on top. But they just didn't say oh well we won't even try. Obama came out of nowhere to beat Hillary in 2008. That is the magic of life!
    It seems the young people today just don't know how to figure things out or make a way out of no way. Conditions aren't always perfect. Maybe that's the difference in times. IDK.

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    Then figure out something and start your own business and be a leader.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    The government is corrupt but that has always been. But you don't just through in the towel on life. What are your plans? Stay at home and go from job to job or get out and figure this thing out? It's up to the young generation to figure it out.
     
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    Starting a business would be a distraction from the real problems in the world in my opinion. We don't need more businesses or political/corporate/economic leaders on this planet. What we need are less people, less global economic influences, less corporate power, and less selfishness.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    It seems they don't want their time in life to be an adult. They want to stay unresponsible for as long as they can. In the past young people couldn't wait to get out on their own even if they weren't ready. They tried to get the first apartment or something. Even if they got help from the parents they still wanted independence. I'm not saying things are ideal for yoiung people today, but where's the cunning to figure it out and make mistakes, and the balls to go do it.

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    Make it a small business. Spread expertise. Everything in your post is defeat. What about sharing a solution? It's hard when you have all these built in excuses.
     
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    I think the issue is their prospects are just going to be worse than their parents, I'm not lazy but the deck was stacked against me be disabled for years so did what work I could get and lived with family and now had to apply for government assistance having gone downhill physically largely due to lack of health care earlier. So why bother trying hard with the deck stacked against me. Young people have it just as bad but its a whole generation.

    But maybe its a good thing they will rethink everything and someday be running things.
     
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    The focus would still have to be centered on profit in order for it to survive. I'm not making excuses for doing what I want to do in my life. If I choose to crash at friend's house, sleep in a tent on the beach, or share a tiny apartment with people it will be done because I can, not because I have to. I am 24 years old and I wake up every morning with practically no bills except for internet access basically, no stresses when it comes to having to get dressed and go to work, and no fear of the unexpected, and no I do not take any money from the government. My footprint on this planet is extremely small and I impact nobody but myself. It's a great life with freedom, and I would never ever trade it in for some suburban life.
     
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    Again, not to stereotype any one particular group. From the handful of young progressives I know their ideal for the future beyond college is either they or a friend will begin a start up company. Hang around for a year until it takes root, sell it for billions sharing the profits amongst the small group of comrades. Then retire and spend the rest of their lives fighting capitalism from their sprawling mansions. Probably got the idea from Michael Moore.
    The American dream "I want it today" condensed version.
     
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    Part of the problem is generally elevated expectations. My main goal growing up was to keep from having my rump shot off in Vietnam and to get laid (not necessarily in that order). But I grew up poor and expected to continue living a humble lifestyle for the rest of my life. I had no plans for college, and figured that by and by I'd get a stable and steady blue collar job, get an automobile, get married, have kids, and just have a 'normal' life. Then . . . once Vietnam passed me by (by the skin of my teeth) I volunteered anyway, entered a (for the day) high tech field, got that study bug, and once I got out of the service spent the next half decade working low end jobs while putting myself through college, became an educator, got married, and so forth and so on. My point being that today's average upper level poor (an iffy term) through middle class child EXPECTS to go to college, have a fantastic job and career, and have the government pay for freaking EVERYTHING outside the nominal realm of things covered by a paycheck. They expect these things as being the determinants for a 'good' life.

    So . . . if you grow up EXPECTING the moon and the stars and then discover that the world doesn't exactly operate that way you get . . . angry and develop a host of interesting neurosis. Or in other words you become the stereotypical Millennial . . . and then cynical Dem politicians play you and your equally clueless and increasingly bitter peers like a freaking harp.
     
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    I'm having mixed results with my kids. My oldest went to junior college while his best friend went straight to engineering school. After 2 years of college, he still didn't know what he wanted to do and we couldn't afford to send him to school if he doesn't know what he wants to do. His best friend is a junior in college with about 90k in student loan debt. It's a good school and he will do well as he is very smart and motivated, but he is starting in a huge hole because his parents are disabled and can't help him financially. My son decided to join the military. He is being trained to be a linguist and has a very promising career ahead whether he stays in the military or not. He is half way to a B.S. and he will have the GI Bill to help him finish when he is ready. A couple more of my oldest son's friends are in the Marine Reserves and are apprentice electricians at a glass manufacturing company. Another friend is a front end manager at Walmart and his girlfriend works at the movie theater. Both go to junior college part time. Several others are off to college. It's a mixed bag.

    My middle son is having trouble getting motivated. He works hard at his job, but it's a dead end job and I'd like to see him do something that he can grow into. He is smart, but not as sharp as his older brother. The middle one has more common sense and is more coordinated, and very shy. I think his best option is to learn a skilled trade. (electrician, plumber, AC repair, etc....) Of course, it's up to him.

    My point is that all people are different, even in the same household. I see all kinds of different teenagers and they all have different attitudes, ambitions, and abilities. It's hard to generalize about a whole generation when they are all so different. Some are lazy and some aren't, just like any other generation.
     
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    I'm seventy-three and I've known lazy people all my life starting in grammar school. The only thing they had in common was that they were, or were destined to be, liberals who thought people who weren't lazy owed them.
     
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    That's how they were living on knocked up lol. I am all for that!
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    If you start a business yes profit is important. But if you don't want to be a slave then making your own way is the only option. I'm just sayin don't give up in life. Don't just live with your parents. If you want to live on a beach go do your thing independently. Don't hold back.
     
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    Don't fall for that right-wing bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
    They're just angry that young people don't fall for their intolerant, hate mongering rhetoric.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to understand why they keep opting out of life and want nothing to do with any responsibility. The person you responded to that is.
     
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    If that wasn't sarcasm it should be. You found your answer.
     
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    People are correct in saying that the globalization era is much different than the eras in which our parents and grandparents grew up in. You could get by in life without a college education back then. We had companies for whom you could work for your entire life and retire there earning a livable wage with nothing more than a HS diploma, if that.

    Things are different now, those types of jobs are much more rare. In today's day and age you need a degree of some sort to make any real money. It's almost to the point to where a BA degree or the equivalent of is the lowest form of education you must achieve in order to have a shot at making any real money. Unskilled labor jobs are fading. Many employers are hiring nothing but part time workers (especially now thanks to some lovely new law but that's a different subject). Kids today have to work through college before they can even consider entering the workforce in something other than a dead end job. Going to college isn't even a sure shot at getting a good job it's just opening the door for the possibility of getting a good job. I know plenty of people who have BA degrees who work waiting tables at restaurants still looking for an opening in their field. All while repaying student loans and trying to live off of tip money.

    I don't necessarily believe this generation is lazy, some are of course but thats with every generation. This generation has to work that much harder just to simply have a chance at getting a good job. But those are the cards they were dealt. They can either accept it and work or throw their hands up and quit because it's unfair or too hard.
     
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    Unless one wants to work at a trade I'd agree.
    My nephew finished college and was immediately hired by the company he interned at. His first weeks paycheck was more than I make in a month. Sadly I don't think he appreciates that fact at all. Still I can be happy for him as he'll never want as long as he keeps working.
     
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    Yes sometimes people do get hired directly out of college I know plenty of people who have as well. The problem is that many of these kids often find themselves stuck in a limbo after college if they don't get hired right away. Everyone pretty much goes to college with the same agenda. Get a student loan, finish college, get hired making decent money and pay the loan back. But when they don't get hired right after college they run into a brick wall pretty fast. Now they have to pay back the student loans but aren't being hired to make the money to pay them back.

    It can be a daunting task to say the least.
     
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    I did 't go to college. Went right to the workforce and I am doing a lot better than my friends who have bachelors.
     
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    there are active overweight people and inactive overweight people, the inactive are in much worse shape then the prior

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    I think ins companies invented the individual mandate, just like they invented the requirement to have insurance on our vehicles, promised us lower rates and then never followed through

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    the Bush generation, taught them to just be lazy at the ranch.... drink lots of alcohol and you too can be pres

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