Israel Is Not The Bad Guy

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  1. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    israel supports the genocide of Palestinians, as evidenced from their indiscriminate bombing. Do you?

    and no, Netanyahu has said that he wanted Hamas in power in Gaza specifically because their actions would prevent a two state solution. You are very much mistaken. I suggest you do a little more research.
     
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    Fake news, Israel is engaged in targeted bombing.

    Enough with the tap dancing. Do you support a two state solution? Or do you support the destruction of Israel for a One State Solution?

    'IN ISRAEL THE ARMY SERVES CIVILIANS': This Is How Hamas Attempted to Smuggle Dozens of Terrorists Out of Gaza.

    'In Gaza Civilians serve Hamas.'
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, they were targeting alright. Bombing safe routes, ambulances, refugee camps, etc. The civilian death rate is 60 times higher than the war in the Ukraine. You can scream 'fake news' all you want, but it only makes you look more and more ridiculous as the civilian death toll climbs.
     
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    Probably because so very precious few Palestinian people show any interest in ejecting Hamas from top leadership positions over them
     
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    The terrorist were using ambulances.
    Hamas Command Center, that's why the Hamas Commander was killed in the strike.

    I see you again refuse to answer two simple questions:
    1. Do you support a two state solution?
    2. Do you support the complete destruction of Israel?
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    Yes, I support a two state solution which is why I do not not support what Netanyahu has done. He purposely facilitated Hamas, to ensure that he always had a reason to keep it from happening.
    No I do not support the destruction of Israel, which is why I do not support the actions Israel is taking, which is enraging the entire muslim world to unite against them, and even causing the US to lose support for Israel.

    Why don't you support a two state solution? a one state solution will likely not work. And why do you support the destruction of Israel and Palestinian civilians? Because that is exactly what is being perpetuated with Israel's actions.
     
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    See? That wasn't so hard, was it.
    Not bad!
    Fake news.

    'Two-thirds of Americans say the United States should publicly support Israel in the war between Israel and Hamas, according to the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll'
    More fake news. I support a two state solution.

    'only 8% say the U.S. should publicly criticize Israel.'

    https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-war-between-israel-and-hamas/

    It's always interesting when someone who occupies a position with single digit support imagines that the nation is 'bitterly divided' over the issue. We aren't. We have consensus, we don't agree with you.
     
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    Full of straw men eh? You know I didn't say that.

    Native Americans are not as oppressed as Palestinians, no. They are free to move around where they like, as anyone else in the country is. They an vote. They have all the same rights and protections as anybody else. That can't be said for Palestinians under Israel.
     
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    Some do. Israel should be playing into that as much as it possibly can. And Israel should stop feeding into Hamas propaganda. When Israeli officials speak of Palestinians (not just Hamas) as "the enemy" or "animals" that is going to play directly into Hamas' recruitment efforts.
     
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    Here's the best chronological info!
     
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    Saying that Israel supports the genocide of Palestinians is the hugest boat of hogwash I’ve heard today. /rant

    ETA: That is actually just a tie with posts from folks denying the holocaust that I’ve read here today.
     
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    I'm not denying the holocaust at all, but you seem to be denying the massacre occurring as we speak. Being anti-Palestinian is just as disgusting as being anti-Semitic.
     
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    I’m not anti-Palestinian by any means. I just recognize Israel’s right for retribution upon the perpetrators of the completely ruthless and unnecessary attack on 10/7

    I respect and recognize that Israel has warned Palestinians to get the hell out of the way as they rightfully take retribution against a hostile and aggressive terrorist organization.
     
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    Get out of the way how? They are hitting safe routes, hitting refugee camps where no prior warning was given, destroying convoys of ambulances trying to move the wounded, and dropping bombs on places they know are crowded with civilians.

    There is no “right to retribution” where they can kill civilians without restraint. Israel’s reprisal has gone far beyond what Hamas did on October 7th by an order of magnitude, killing for more innocent civilians than Hamas could have dreamed of doing.

    76% of Israelis want Netanyahu to resign for the way he is handling the conflict.
     
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    I think you’re a bit out of the loop…. but I’ll welcome you to sustain some ground by providing a creditable link to your claim about Netanyahu falling out of favor on such a large scale.
     
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    Israeli civilians. Hamas exists among the Palestinians because they can have no army nor military bases. Would they if they could?
     
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    How do you rectify the at least 20% of Arabs living peacefully in Israel? Then compare that with the Jews living in Gaza and West Bank.
     
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    Hamas is a terrorist group that must die.
     
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    As far as the Palestinians are concerned the Israeli army is a terrorist group. A much more heavily armed one. Do you disagree?
     
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    The Israeli Army is a terrorist group? You need to get out more, Americans support Israel overwhelmingly and your position here is probably supported by 8% or so. Enjoy your thoughts.

    Hamas must die
     
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    well if the Palestinians hate Israel more than Hamas, that suggests they are enemies of Israel as well as Hamas?
     
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    Both sides are the good guys and bad guys.
    It depends on one's perspective.

    It takes at least 2 sides to have a conflict.
     
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    If you were a Palestinian and your land is occupied at will by a foreign country and you are limited in voting by a foreign country and are allowed no legal defense group would you just say "gee, this is swell"?
     
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    Interesting read.

    ...
    (New York Jewish Week) — For hundreds of thousands of displaced people, World War II did not end in September 1945. The devastation of war created refugees from Eastern Europe and the liberated concentration camps, unwilling or unable to return home and forced into displaced persons camps in conquered Germany under allied protection.

    In his new book, historian David Nasaw explains in vivid detail what happened to these beleaguered people, who ranged from shattered Jewish Holocaust survivors to stateless slave laborers to Nazi collaborators who feared going home to their now Soviet-dominated homelands. “The Last Million: Europe’s Displaced Persons from World War II to Cold War” (Penguin Press) tells familiar stories – like the illegal immigration of Jews to British-controlled Palestine – and forgotten stories like America’s shameful refusal to open its gates to Holocaust survivors while welcoming war criminals.
    https://www.jta.org/2020/10/28/ideas/when-jewish-refugees-were-a-problem-no-one-wanted-to-solve
     
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    More fake news. Gaza wasn't occupied on 10/6 and a "ceasefire" was in place! Which shows you how Hamas uses a ceasefire. To invade, slaughter, and gang rape their innocent neighbors.

    Hamas must die. They signed their death warrants when they gleefully livestreamed their horrific slaughter of the innocent and the crowds trilled with delight as the gang raped Jewish girls with bloody pants were paraded like trophies in Gaza.

    If only they hadn't rigged the 2020 election - and all they got for that was rigged Joe and Kackles Harris?

    If Trump Wins, More Voters Foresee Better Finances, Foreign Policy

    Way better foreign policy.

    Bribed Joe's foreign policy is even worse than Bidenomics. Bidenomics makes us suffer, Bribed Joe's foreign policy gets folks slaughtered.

    In the darkness comes hope: 'Donald Trump holds distinct advantages in his own right when voters look forward: More voters think they'd be better off financially if Trump wins in 2024, and more voters think it's Trump who can keep the U.S. out of a war, if he wins.'

    Trump dreams of building gleaming cities of peace and prosperity.
    The War Mongers want to blow them all up.

    Even 'Democrats aren't as sure about Mr. Biden avoiding an overseas war as Republicans are about Trump doing so.'

    'Those partisans may be reading the polls, too: Mr. Biden's backers react to the idea of a rematch by mainly saying they're nervous and frustrated; Trump's say they're hopeful and motivated.'

    Hamas Must Die
     

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