Israel Is Not The Bad Guy

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever think it might be because Hamas, in their evil strategy, place their command centers under civilians? So you want to make their strategy effective? It sure seems like that. First off you need to ask yourself.....why would civilians allow their families to be used as shields? Next you need to ask yourself, How should Israelis defend themselves? My answer would be to try and evacuate every civilian possible. Then do your best to take out military operations sparing whatever civilians possible. Israel has done that. They are defending themselves against future Oct.7th attacks that would be sure to come. Civilian deaths are on Hamas and those who put them in power.
     
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    They did target civilians. They knew they were there, and chose to drop the bombs. That is targeting them. They don't get to say they are not targeting them if they know that there are civilians present. It is absolutely no different at all than a suicide bomber.
     
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    IDF place their command in and amongst civilians.

    It's standard practice amongst warmongers

    Never mind the FRONTLINE RAVE PARTIES OF drugged up youth partying at the Gaza prison walls.
     
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  4. Josh77

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    Civilian deaths are on the one who actually kills them. They knew they were there, and they dropped the bombs anyway.

    There is no military solution to this war. Sooner or later it must come to diplomacy. For the sake of the thousands of innocents being bombed to death every day, I pray that it is sooner.
     
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    You are incorrect. Israelis move their children into shelters while the terrorists surround their launchers with children so that when the sites are bombed, they can use the images to sell Jew hate. This is a play straight out of the pallywood playbook.
     
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    And Israel falls for it every time, and now they are losing support around the globe because they are killing more than the terrorists. Some killing innocents faster than terrorists do is supposed to get the Palestinians to cooperate? What a sick joke. Soon the US is going to pull their support unless Israel finds its moral compass quickly.

    You can try to justify it all you want. At the end of the day, Israel is killing WAY more innocent civilians, including thousands of children, than Hamas did.
     
  7. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The military solution will be when Hamas is dead. Israel will determine that. A populace that puts in power a terrorist organization will reap tragic consequences when that terrorist organization commits terror against it's neighbor. You would hold Israel accountable to the rules of war but not it's enemies. It doesn't work that way.
    At the same time you defend Gaza, you never mention the Palestinians living peacefully with the Jews that were killed by Hamas on Oct. 7th.
     
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    They were "drugged up" so they deserved to die? I feel the same way about the "drugged up" PLO demonstrators on college campuses of this country. "Gaza prison walls"? That is funny. They had freedom to dig tunnels and fire rockets over those "prison walls" for how many years? That's a funny impression of a prison!
     
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    The naïveté of some Americans is breathtaking, that includes 18 members of Congress!

    They seem unaware that Hamas terrorists hide amongst the civilian population. Israel is forced to bomb civilian targets in Gaza because Hamas command and control centers along with its fighters are hiding within these targets.

    Do some Americans think Isarael is bombing civilian targets just to pisses everyone off?

    Palestinians chose Hamas to govern them. In addition, at any time Palestinians living in Gaza could leave and live under the Palestinian Authority on the West Bank, roughly a hundred miles away. Palestinians now trapped in Gaza Hamas.

    On Oct. 7, Hamas went on a murder raid, murdering over 1400 Israelis as well as others. The war between Israel and Hamas began. Young, amateurish progressives want the U.S.to declare a ceasefire between these two foreign adversaries. They can't explain how the Biden administration is supposed to do that.

    NPR reports, "The progressive Jewish group If Not Now went to Capitol Hill last week to talk to lawmakers and hold a rally.

    "While the group sang a call-and-response of "cease-fire now" and "not in our name" next to the Reflecting Pool, Matan Arad-Neeman, the group's spokesman, explained why they were there.

    "We've only seen — what is it — 17 members of Congress so far call for a cease-fire. And I'm so grateful for their moral courage," he said. "But the rest of Congress needs to step up and end this bloodshed."

    "As of today, 18 House members have signed on to a resolution calling for a cease-fire in the war between Israel and Hamas.

    "In March, Gallup found that for the first time in more than two decades of tracking, Democrats sympathized with Palestinians more than Israelis. About half of Democrats said their sympathies are more with Palestinians, compared to about 4 in 10 who said their sympathies are more with the Israelis. That divide is decades in the making."

    On Oct. 7, Palestinians murdered over 1,400 people and started a war that will desecrate their homeland. Over 8,800 Palestinians have been killed.

    The young progressives support a group bent on murder and suicide.
     
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    Yea, they fell for the old kill babies and launch rockets from schools and hospitals trick. The anti-Israel side is in no position to criticize morality.

    Terrorists use children as human shields. They wear coward masks to hide their faces because they know they are committing war crimes. They kill Jews, Christians, atheists, non-Muslims and those critical of religion/government. There is no way you can sell them as the good guys.
     
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    Isn't Hamas responsible for the civilian deaths because Hamas hides within the civilian population? If Hamas is hiding a vital command and control center beneath a hospital, what do you want Israel to do?

    Aren't you and others like you doing exactly what Hamas wants Americans to do? Blame Israel for the consequences of the Hamas murder raid on Oct. 7.
     
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    Sandy, it's hard to believe. You really make sense on this thread!
     
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    I thought warmongers were the aggressors? Are you saying the partiers deserved the attack we are discussing?
     
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    This didn't start on the 7th
     
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    Who knows, they have Xbox nowadays in prison.
     
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    There is a lot of history in the region. The dates have the letters BC and AD. Do you know why that is?
     
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    Lol, there are no good guys in this war. Both sides are lead by murderous *******s.
     
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    Lol, Israel is doing exactly what Hamas wants them to do. This whole thing was to make Israel go overboard in their retribution, sinking the talks that were about to normalize relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. That would have been a devastating blow to Iran, so Iran had Hamas launch the attack, knowing that Israel would likely slaughter the Palestinians. And they did, and it is uniting the world against Israel. Now, even the US is telling Israel to stop slaughtering civilians. Iran is ecstatic that Israel is playing right into their trap.
     
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    That's because Gaza is more densely populated than the city of Los Angeles, and is currently without power or water. Also note that about 45% of their population are 15 years old or younger. The international community is calling for a ceasefire so humanitarian aid can be brought in for the millions of people who are in Gaza. This war is far from being the biggest war in human history, yet it is expected to be one of the biggest refugee crises in human history. That's because no region as densely populated as Gaza has ever been hit like this before. As many as 400,000 Palestinian civilians were made homeless in a single day, and there are millions more who are being impacted by the ongoing conflict. If humanitarian aid cannot be brought in, thousands of civilians will die
     
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    Hamas must die.

    WaPo: The Joos Buy Their Support in Washington

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    'The media is flummoxed by the fact that so many politicians in Washington support Israel.

    'It makes no sense to them. After all, all the BEST people know that the Israelis are settler colonialist oppressors and that Palestinians are brown, and hence victims.'

    'Their professors told them so! Look at those activists out of the streets!'

    'Even the Queers are for Palestine, from the River to the Sea. Queers are at the top of the intersectional ladder, so the cause must be just.'

    So WaPo thunk on it and figured it out.

    '@WashingtonPost claims support for Israel on the Hill is a "reflection of the decades-long influence of a powerful lobby."'

    If you trust them for news, you'll become dumber than them and just as hateful.

    'As is always the case when people support a cause associated with the Joos, the ready-made explanation for the otherwise inexplicable lack of hatred for these swarthy Hebrews is that they are buying people off, and that is the explanation that the Washington Post goes with.'
     
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    I'm talking 1948, not the irrelevant fact that Jewish ppl are not the lineal descendants of the biblical ISRAELITES.

    If you're so keen on ancient Israel, please tell me where the the other 10 (world's majority)tribes are?
     
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    Israel Is Not The Bad Guy
    perhaps not but still
    Israel Is A Bad Guy
     
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    Israel is a thriving country that contributes to the rest of the world. They have made progress in science, tech, medicine, agriculture, etc. I could visit Israel without fear of being burned alive for being who I am. They are the good guys by a huge margin, given how awful the other side is.
     
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    Hamas will exist until there is no Israeli occupation and actual borders defined. If you kill 10000 Hamas this time there are 20000 Palestinians ready to take their place.

    Create real borders. No Israeli control over Palestinian lands and make Jerusalem a city state of it's own like the Vatican.

    Then you might get rid of Hamas.
     

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