Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Israel is 25% non-jewish. A ' jewish ' State is not possible - particularly as it wants to occupy somebody else's homeland and refuse to allow its rightful inhabitants back in.

 

Being a Jewish state means that Israel is a homeland for all the Jews of the world should they wish to live there not that it is a homeland exclusively for Jews, Israel provides full and equal rights to all of its citizens regardless of race, creed, or gender, I suggest you focus on states which practice religious apartheid and gender segregation; such as, the Islamic Republic of Iran, or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

 

what percent of Israel would need to be Jewish for it to be a Jewish state?

 

It's been demonstrated on numerous occasions that Israel does NOT provide equality in practice. Your claim is laughable- and boring. It's the usual neoZionist pump with the punctured hose.

 

Any religious minority living under Islamic majority is doomed to a life of subjugation and persecution, but you don't give a damn about that and given your record on this forum I wouldn't be surprised if you welcome the subjugation of all of dar al-Arab under the yolk of the tyranny of dar al-Islam.

 

As you introduced three other muslim States into the mix why don't you look at the percentages of muslims in their populations. If you do you'll see that they are 99%, 98% and 97% muslim. Further, none of them has five million refugees waiting for re-entry. Israel has five million muslims waiting in the diaspora- all of them with a better claim to the territory than any of the European Zionist invaders.

 

"european zionist invaders"

so you choose to lose any legitimacy in this debate

 

How so?

 

cause he has clearly made up his mind on the issue and had no intention of adapting or evolving his views as he is informed of new info or ideas.

 

That's hardly a proper critique. Can you be more specific in your criticism?

 

Ever wonder what happened to all the Jews who used to live in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Iraq and Jordan? Where do you suppose they all went? I wonder what could have prompted hundreds of thousands of Jews to leave their ancestral homes? Boggles the mind doesn't it.

 

Ok, let's take this step by step.

Are they European? Yes
Are they Zionists? Yes
Are they invaders? Yes.

 

legal immigrants aren't invaders.

 

Not very familiar with history or demographics.....are you.

 

The Golan Heights has long been an Israeli objective for one. Historically, the antagonism against Egypt as well as Jordan has been made clear as well.(Including Netanyahu's violent rhetoric that Lebanon will be wiped off from the map).

So already, we can see a geopolitical objective that stretches throughout the heart of the Middle Eastern land. And at this, the belief that the Jewish are "God's chosen people" is at the heart of the Jewish political mindset, even if not publicly endorsed.

I'd hate to be the one to break your religious beliefs(especially since they may be native beliefs, and ingrained in you since birth), but there's nothing chosen about you(or me) or anyone else for that matter. We're all Humans on this planet called earth and we have to learn how to live with each other.

I could grow to like the Jewish Community if they stopped believing that they alone, are the only ones who face persecution and that they alone deserve special rights or considerations that no other person should.

 

We appear to be at crossed purposes here. I'm talking about the historical and ideological Zionist aspiration towards the establishment of the Greater Israel which involves invasion and ethnic cleansing. Bibi is an exception in as much as he is the first Israeli leader to have been born in Israel.

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Yes I am thanks.

 

the ethnic cleansing happened more than 60 years ago.

its history.

most Israelis were born after this happened.

 

.....as compared with the virtuous aspirations of Arabs who are committed to the complete destruction of Israel.

 

You are? Really? Where do think all those Jews who used to live in Arab nations went? What happened to over 800,000 Jews? I wonder what made them leave?

 

No, you are mistaken, it's an on-going process that began with Plan Dalet and continued with Cast Lead.

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I suggest you consult the Hasbara Handbook for your answer.

 

Hamas is responsible for Cast Lead.

they chose to attack Israeli civilians with hundreds of rockets.

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Hasbara handbook?

are you saying hundreds of thousands of Jews weren't kicked out of the Muslim and Arab lands?

historical revisionism doesn't suit you, bro.

 

Sorry mate, but you are brainwashed. I've repeatedly debunked the Israeli claims on here and I'm not repeating myself. All I will say is Illan Pape.

 

I would suggest that you would like to avoid questions that conflict with your rhetoric.

 

and now you are making personal attacks.

too bad, as I thought we could have a mature and intelligent discussion.

 

I'm sure you think you've debunked many things.....the evidence remains to be seen.