Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

I don't mean to be disrespectful but the denial of such a given can not be explained any other way. I don't blame you as an individual because the pro-Israeli propaganda and bias in the media is systematic as the researchers at Glasgow Media Group have shown. I've presented their findings on here previously. Illan Pape and many other historians and academics have managed to cut through the propaganda.

 

Try "The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine

 

And how exactly do you think that answers my question?

 

and how do you feel about the hundreds of thousands of Jews kicked out of the Muslim & Arab world?

they deserved it? had it coming?

 

Apparently ethnic cleansing is just fine depending on who does it.

 

well you see, the Jews deserved it and had it coming, cause they were rich and were traitors.

 

So Moon, now you claim to speak on behalf of all this forum? Lol. Right.

Moon I note you can't go a sentence without using words such as neoZionist facism, neoZionist occupation. It makes it clear you are not here to debate, just to name call and ask others to engage in the same name calling and its why you don't get many responses any more other than from Trout and the same handful of what would you like me to call them anti neoZionist facists? Lol.

The ism and ist words do what Moon? Other than name call what do they achieve? What do you think you achieve name calling?

You have no idea what my political views are yet out come the works apologist, neo Zionist facist, etc., etc.

That Moon does what for you? Why label people and stereotype their beliefs before you even know what it is they stand for? Are you psychic? Of course not. What you are doing though is making it clear when you stereotype that you are sending the message you don't care what anyone else has to say. You send the message you are deaf to any voice but your own. So then what? If all you want to hear is your own voice what then? Does it mean you are deaf, a narcissist or both? Does it matter/ Why would anyone discuss anything with you when you send them a message you have no intention to listen to a thing they have to say?

Do you really think people will sing to a deaf man? Really? What next I explain to you the colour red after you make it clear you are colour blind? Lol. No Moon. I don't tell people who make it clear they will keep stuffing their face with doughnuts they should consider fruit instead. No. Lol. I am not a therapist or dietician. I am not hear to try change your behaviour.

Interesting of course is that you ask me where I think Israel's borders should be? Why? Why would you ask? You made it clear you already think you know what my opinions are so why ask?

I am also interested in why you would ask the very question you have made a mockery of.

Have you not stated on this forum repeatedly you will never accept a Jewish state in the Middle East? Have you not stated that over and over?

So why now ask me where I think the border should be when you made it clear no border is the only concept you agree with?

What am I supposed to take your bait and answer something you already made clear you wil not discuss let alone acknowlefgr?

Do you want to tell me now you will recognize Israel's borders prior to 1967?

Lol. Really?

You don't so why ask me if I do?

Why play games Moon does it look like I or others are going to play that silly game?

Come on enough with the baiting and the name calling.

If you came on this forum and said, you recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state free from terrorist attacks what do you think I would say?

So go on Moon, have you changed your mind? Are you saying you agree that Israel should exist as a Jewish state free of terror attacks in return for going back to its 1967 borders?

You won't agree to that. You have made that clear, so why ask me where I think the borders should be when you believe there should be no Jewish state at all? Why the silly games?

Do you even know what your point is at this point other than to say you want Israel dismantled and violently if need be? Isn't that your very reason to come on this forum? ISn't that what you repeat in each and every response?

Do you think I or anyone if we felt the Palestinian people and Arab peoples would agree to recognize a Jewish state and denounce terrorism against Israel would have to take the same positions we do now about safe and defensible borders?

You really think anyone would discuss borders with you when you have indicated you support no state of Israel and violent means to achieve that on this forum?

Really?

Moon in the grand scheme of things your hatred of the existence of the state of Israel does not matter nor how I respond to you.

All that matters is Palestinians and Israelis find a way to find each other in spite of people like you inciting hatred and conflict between them.

All that matters is they find a way to tune haters out.

Neither of our opinions mean jack....

Now Moon let me make this clear. Don't waste peoples' times asking them questions when you have made it clear you don't want to hear their answers. Its a waste of everyone's time.

 

That is illogical. No the entire conflict can not be explained by this one person.

All you have done is evidence that you close your mind to any or all opinions but the ones you like and
tell others if they don't agree with your opinions, they are wrong.

Your use of the individual you quoted is just a rationalization for stating you close your mind to any opinions other than
the ones you agree with.

People already know that.

Like Moon all you are doing is coming on this forum to repeat your opinion over and over that you are against
Israel's existence.

And now?

Well?

What do you keep repeating this same opinion over and over? Do you think it will win over converts and a mass uprising will rid the world of Israel?

 

Ok, let's try this. Explain the context that underlies the 800,000 claim with reputable sources to support your narrative.

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Is it really necessary for me to repeat a list of historians and academics, most of whom are Israeli AGAIN?

As for the history and Zionist objectives that underpin the historical narrative pertaining to ethnic cleansing, I specifically pointed you to Pape's seminal work in order to assist you with your education on this matter. You should be thanking me.

 

Would you care to dispute the number? Lets try it that way.

 

Peace doesn't need to be made between friends. The demand from either side to recognise each other's legitimacy is fatuous and has no serious precedent in international law. It merely allows rejectionists on both sides to remain that way and serves as a vulgar justification for their on-going crimes. It is not a defence for the Israeli government to say well, Hamas remains consecrated to our destruction and doesn't acknowledge our legitimacy as a Jewish state therefore we don't have to allow Palestinian self-determination, or even negotiate with them when we don't feel like it. And by the same token, it is no excuse for a Palestinian to say Israel doesn't recognise a Palestine as an independent state therefore we have a right to use suicide murder against innocent civilians. The whole consideration of such an argument, which I'm sorry to see includes a lot of people who see the conflict in the cold light of day, is pointless and lacking seriousness. It's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Obey international law; that is your responsibility as state actors.

 

I stand with Netanyahu in this, that Palestinians must recognize that Israel is a sovereign State. It happens that Palestinians appear to be retarded, autistic or suffering of ADD, because they can't understand that the State of Israel is a fact like the cosmos, the Sun, the wind, and anything that exists in the universe.

Without Palestinians conceding to recognize this fact, then they must suffer the consequences, because they actually live inside the State of Israel.

 

how about this: Palestine recognizes Israel as the Jewish State, and Israel recognizes the Palestinian Right of Return.

 

Golly. Talk about being misinformed moon. Better return to the echo chamber to get instructions of what to do when somebody asks you to prove your ranting.

Like now ....

Prove there is a handbook for "common-or-garden neoZionist fascist" please and tell us, (quote and link) to which page the borders of Greater Israel can be found on otherwise, we can all just surmise you are mistaken and ranting claptrap as you frequently do.

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Now most Israelis are natural born so that throws that idiocy out the window.

 

That of course would depend on exactly what definition of 'Jewish State' is intended. Has anybody actually officially defined it?

 

Which ones? Have you their name, addresses and phone numbers to identify them?

Once again, which ones?

You mean the counter attacks to Arab and Muslim aggression of course.

 

I see. So you speak of a minority then. Have you their names and addresses so you can send them a notice that they are bad people ad should not do that or are you just going to satisfy yourself with your silly version of collective punishment by lumping all Israelis together and calling them names?

 

Strange, it actually started with the '29 riots where Arabs murdered Jews and has continued with the terrorist attacks on Israel which Israel temporarily stopped with Cast Lead. You must be doing your homework overtime as your contention is right from the Hamasbara handbook.

Ah yes, the fictitious mythical handbook. Nothing new here people, move on.

 

Why don't we just sum it all up with "Hamas Charter - destruction of Israel."

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Well said and quite factual.

 

Successive Israeli governments' of course...Duh!

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Hahahahahahahahaha.

 

Duh!, succesive Zionist governments' and no I mean Zionist invader's.

 

Aharon Barak, former President of the Supreme Court of Israel:

 

What's this, ' new info and ideas ' ?
No Zionists are in the Palestinian State legally- none- unless authorised by the Palestinian government.

All those European Zionist invaders who encroached upon territories designated ' Palestinian ' by UNGAR 181 were invaders and entered those territories illegally. Certainly, those European Zionists who remained within ' Jewish ' territories designated by UNGAR 181 were within their rights. Unfortunately.

Now then, you were asking about percentages of muslim populations in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. What caused you to dump your own enquiry regarding Israel's non-jewish population of 25% ?

 

It's still going on and has been a feature of all neoZionist thinking. Of course, now that you're emerging as a closet supporter of Israeli criminality I'm guessing that you don't classify the destruction of Palestinian farms, olive groves, the razing of Palestinian dwellings, false imprisonment without trial, torture, racist laws, extra-judicial execution and a host of other activities contrary to international and humanitarian law to be the tools of ethnic cleansing. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Member ' CaptainAngryPants ' might also care to comment here openly- instead of attempting ill-founded character smears on the sly.

 

That would be approaching a reasonable appraisal of my discussions concerning neoZionist fascism and neoZionist illegal occupation, yes. You are very astute.

One final time- with no interminable bluster and dodging- where do you think that the borders of any legitimate Israeli State should be ?