It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat

That pretty much sums it up perfectly.

 

It does because trying to broker a peace with a sociopathic nutcase Like Putin is fruitless. I am hoping his idiocy costs Russia so much that the people get rid of his regime.

 

This sounds like Potato Joe Biden projecting.

 

Percentage-wise, it is costing Ukraine more. Utter foolishness to prolong it.

 

Thankfully I don't care what you think. Go hall monitor somewhere else.

 

What a myopic post, having nothing to do with my point and making some terrible logical gaps in your attempt at making a comparison towards apparently a 100% isolationist stance.

We aren’t at war with Russia. Start with that fact and we can continue from there if you want.

 

I know what you think Carson that’s why I didn’t ask you.

not everything is about you

 

Hmm who was it that sent all the weapons to Ukraine?

Was it Obama? Hmmm no that was a bunch of blankets he sent.

Oh yeah. It was Trump.

 

its helping us. and Russia seems unlikely to stop it. the more they lose the better for the USA

 

They fight like that because they are incompetent at warfare.

 

So you’re no longer contesting that we can’t supply Ukraine and have pivoted to an unsupported argument about Ukraine running out of troops as the reason we shouldn’t keep supplying them with no specificity on numbers or timetable by which Ukraine cannot support its war effort.

For context, the Confederacy put 750k-1 million men through 4 years of war out of a population of only 6 million whites and 250k dead

Ukraine has about 7 times that population, putting their potential man power at about 6-7 million, and factor in women being allowed to serve they can do far more than even that.

It is difficult to know Ukraines casualty figures as they aren’t publicized but given that they are better trained, better equipped, and have access to western hospitals, their losses are comparatively quite light through 2 years. Absolutely zero reason to think they can’t sustain a war for many years at this rate.

 

Warsaw Pact defeated....check.

Soviet Union dissolved.....check.

RuZZiann Fed dismantled......in progress.

All is going to plan.

 

So your 4 billion rubles are worth what Bill....$1000 US?....

 

So your saying he didn't tempt to seize Kiev in the opening days of the war or try occupy most of Ukraine in a surprise attack? Didn't try to topple the Ukrainian Government? Didn't oppose closer ties bewtween Ukraine, the EU and NATO? Never praised the military capabilities of his army as the war commenced? No talk about 'de-Nazification'? Oh and before I forget of course a military stalemate in Ukraine was always Putin's intention for how he wanted the war to end?

Funny we must be talking about two different Ukrainian wars. Because all those things are matter of record.

 

Crimea is getting hit almost on a daily basis.....where it was unthinkable earlier.

Seems Bill completely ignores that fact.

 

Russia has manpower and thanks to NK renewed sources of basic artillery ammunition. What it doesn't have is the ability of replace equipment losses at anywhere near 'like for like' not in terms of quality or numbers. At the moment it is replacing losses by drawing down it's pre-war stockpiles of older vehicles. At the current loss rate that well will run dry sometime in 2025. Similar problems effect its air force. Not so much from combat attrition but because of endemic spare parts shortages and maintenance bottlenecks. Which is exactly what happens when the demands for wartime flying hours start headbutting the rate at which spare parts can be produced and maintenance performed. Many critical elements of its air fleet haven't been in production for decades.

In short Russia can't win this war unless it goes on the offensive. And if Ukraine can't win it's current offensive and engage in a battle of maneuver with the equipment it has at hand now? Then Russia certainly isn't going to be able to either. Not when it has to rely on Korean War era human wave attacks and artillery bombardments to achieve breakthroughs, which is where it's currently headed if the war lasts another year or so.

 

Maybe. Incompetent or not, thats how they beat the Nazis, and its how they're winning Ukraine. Its not how I would do it either ...but its working.

 

Well sure, we 'could' support Ukraine until we run completely out of money, food, fuel... its not that we 'can't'... its how much? And how effective is what we're giving them if they are running out of troops- US officials are concerned that Ukraine is running out of troops and have hinted at peace talks with Russia, report says (msn.com)
and
Ukraine Soldiers Worried They'll Run Out of Troops: Kyiv Independent (businessinsider.com)

I mean, we could just funnel our entire economy into building war machines to drop between Ukraine and Russia endlessly until we run out of everything. I assume we both agree that isn't the answer. So at some point, we have to say 'its not worth it.' The question is- where is that point? I say we reached it already.

You can't save Ukraine by resisting Russia down to the last Ukrainian. Something about cutting off your nose to spite your face, tossing the baby out with the bathwater, all that.

 

They won mainly because of winter, and the scorched earth policy of the Russians leaving nothing behind them for Germany to use. I mean they were right outside Moscow when the weather stopped the advance.

Germany was not at all prepared for winter combat while the Russians were.

Still, here's a great article on why Russia is so incompetent, the roots of it go all the way back to the Bolsheviks. It's a good read if you have some time.

https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/03/the-roots-of-russian-military-dysfunction/

 

ukraine wasn't worth it before the war started. now we pay every government employee and politician's salary. every one. including troops (while they are alive (and probably after they are dead)).

 

Yeah, exactly, I mean the pentagon said they ran out of missiles a year and a half ago.

 

Its largely corruption from a lack of checks in their military structure. The US Military is the largest single bureaucracy on the planet primarily to prevent it from suffering the sorts of problems we've seen plaguing the Russian military. It also doesnt help that Russia has a history of not taking warfare seriously until they're well into getting their butts kicked.

 

Russia thanks the right for their support, but no one ever thought Russia would lose, the goal is to make this painful for Russia to do... and if luck they may even give up like we did eventually in Afghanistan

 

What makes you think Ukraine is running out of troops?

 

A lot of it is local decision making is not allowed. The soviets have no concept of NCO leadership.

The main thing though is that you are not allowed to disagree with a battle plan issued from Moscow. When the official plan goes bad, you have no choice but to keep following that plan no matter the outcome.

Compliance regardless of the truth, or results, of a situation must be adhered to.

There is no real time battlefield adaptation to changing situations, and that results in disaster. A disaster that the general back in Moscow will report as a victory to Putin, because they are not allowed to tell Putin something he doesn't want to hear.

It's a leftist/communist world view that makes them incompetent.