It was a bomb, not a second plane, who said a second plane...I saw it no second plane!

welcome to Koko World … nobody saw any planes … it was all cgi and magically planted explosives…

 

We all saw the planes! Everyone in the world saw planes! on tv

 

1. The original and very deceptive gif - this is a crop showing the positioning of his yellow wedge, which he said was where I put my red one:

2. The original gif from ME, showing where I put the red wedge:

3. Now pay attention to the piece of wreckage in the circle:

4. Here is the same piece of wreckage on the deceptive gif:

5. Notice the yellow wedge starts from the edge of the circled wreckage and halfway across:


Pure deception. Click here for another example of this.

So to reiterate, after he eventually drew the plane in the right place, the tail-fin aligned perfectly with the visible damage. Foolish counter-argument was then offered about the wing damage and actual size of the fin damage. Needless to say zero rectification or allowance was allowed for collision deformity - suggesting a ridiculous cartoon plane cutout!

 

Beta is right about one thing, PURE DECEPTION!

But it aint me LOL

Pay attention to the the light green lines folks.

There is absolutely NO damage above the top of the vertical green line which is the apex of my wedge, hell the paint isnt even scuffed!



Now pay particular attention to the thin line right of center on the pic Beta claims I cheated on which denote the bottom of the broken columns....



Now look at the thin line right off center on Betas pic.

That line shows the end of the columns!

Take note of betas columns and my columns!

Different!!!!! How can this be?

Odd.....betas are dark shadowed blurry and appear to be bent inward!

Mine are as crisp as the pic resolution.

My pic is an original from 20++ years ago, Beta's has been photoshopped to make it appear as though the columns were bent inward!

Now if you go back to the first pic I posted you will see WHY betas has been photoshopped!

The alleged body of the plane didnt so much as bend them or even strip them of the thin aluminum cladding on mine, so they had to be bent with photoshopping so planers could sell up the bullshit.

Beta is right, deception, but not mine.
Stellar investigation skills!

There you have it folks, proof of photoshopping by the planer camp!

/planers

 

how can even post this dishonesty ? … have you no shame? …

cgi planes without any proof? …

you still haven’t answered your discounting of the plane witnesses btw …

your tactics are weak …

 

You completely disregard all the no plane witnesses, and try to put it on me, too funny.
You guys dont even have an argument any more! The planer theory is dead!

NO DAMAGE NO PLANE!



You can always try to convince people that boeing has a magic hide a tail design....Im sure all the flat earthers will get on board with that one!

 

Noise. I'm done with your pathetic strawman. You have made no allowance for high-impact deformation. None. Your ridiculous claim that the plane should be a cartoon cutout is covered on the blog you keep ignoring.

The impacted columns......INWARDS. Game over.

Tactics? That implies reason. Clearly there isn't any. I find it pathetic that "truthers" ignore witnesses, 100s of them.

I always vowed never to get involved with flat earthers, the denial involved just in the logistics is staggering. This no-plane batshit is every bit as bad. The logistics in planning this and carrying it out are monumentally moronic. I've tried to detail it and get it across.

May as well argue with a brick wall.

 

@Shinebox - Regarding your point about witnesses. In the batshit-world of a no-planer, only HIS witnesses are telling the truf.

MEANWHILE!

 

Ibid.
FATHER JOHN DELENDICK (FDNY CHAPLAIN )
"When the second plane hit, I was still in Brooklyn. I was trying to get through the tunnel on Hamilton Avenue. We saw the plane, but I never saw it hit. I remember saying to myself, boy, that guy is awful low in the pattern. I remember saying something really stupid like, you know, did he come down to see what happened with the first one? It never dawned on me that he was heading for the other tower, but that's where it was headed."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110230.PDF

CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE (EMS)
It is my recollection that we drove northern boulevard to the 59 street bridge. At the beginning of the 59 Street bridge, the second airliner hit and we witnessed it.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110192.PDF

EMT ROLAND DIAZ
"We started heading down there towards Manhattan. We were at the Bruckner Interchange when I saw the second plane hit the second tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110121.PDF

EMT JARJEAN FELTON
"I would say right around that time while we were right under here, under the westside highway and pedestrian bridge, I seen second plane coming. I'm thinking isn't that plane too low? I'm like . . . then I noticed, I seen it turn. It turned and went right in the building. But we're behind, like this is the building, it went in, and you see the explosion in the front . . .
Q: On the other side than you?
A: Yeah we see . . . and said oh my god, I just sat there with my mouth open like Oh My God, Oh My God."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110041.PDF

FIREFIGHTER THOMAS GABY
Q. The second plane?
A. I saw it coming in, I heard it, and bang, it hit.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110140.PDF

FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH GALASSO
"After the first plane hit, we were here, actually. We could see the towers actually from here. So after the first plane hit, we saw it on the news. So we came up here to look out the window, and we saw it. We watched the second plane hit. Just as the second plane hit, that's when we received the alarm."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110322.PDF

CHIEF JERRY GOMBO (EMS)
"No sooner than, I don't know, it seemed like a few minutes -- and I have to just share with you at this point, my times might be off. At the corner of my eye, the second plane now comes into the building."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110100.PDF

EMT CHARLES GSCHLECHT
"About when we got to chambers street by the college, we saw the second plane hit the World Trade Center. I told my partner slow down and wait to see if the building was going to collapse right away, because you could see it swaying."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110274.PDF

POLICE OFFICER JAMES HALL
"At approx. 0850 we arrived at the scene and positioned RMP on south bound West in front of the World Financial Center, adjacent to VIP drive. The undersigned approached Capt. Whittaker at our location and advised him of our presence. The above officers along with the undersignedd began administering first aid to numerous victims suffering from various degrees of injury. During this time NYPD, NYFD, and EMS units began arriving and staging in the area of West St. While assisting a female burn victim, I observed PO Rivero look up towards the WTC tower #2. At this time the undersigned heard the sound of jet engines and observed an aircraft with a blue color tail fly directly into the south face of WTC Tower # 2. Following the impact an enormous explosion occurred causing debris to begin to fall down all around the WTC complex."
http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports01.pdf

EMT MALA HARRILAL
"There was a second plane circling the building and I kept saying why is he so near the building? Within minutes, before even talking about it, he just like slammed into the second building."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110186.PDF

EMT RUSSELL HARRIS
"So as I'm sitting there talking to Claude trying to figure out where he was responding and what was going on, we happened to look back at the Trade and we saw the second plane hit, bam."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110015.PDF

FIREFIGHTER MICHAEL HAZEL
"On the way to the Battery Tunnel, we're driving along Columbia Street and I'm sitting across from the proby, and as we're talking and I'm preparing him for the events, what to expect at this job we're going to go to, he just says to me, "Look at this dummy. He's flying underneath the smoke instead of over it." With that I turned to my right and looked at the Twin Towers and I saw the second jet hit. So he started screaming and I just said to him, "We're in big trouble. This is an attack. We're being attacked."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110245.PDF

FIREFIGHTER SCOTT HOLOWACH:
"At that time, I started walking towards Engine 3. Engine 3 drove south to the south pedestrian bridge to make a U turn to come back and as I'm walking towards the Engine to find out what Lieutenant Walsh wanted us to do, I heard the sound of a jet plane. I looked up and saw it pretty close and I was like holy ****. What's going on with the with the flight patterns. All of a sudden, the wings turned and it dove right into the building and it was screwed up.
At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110114.PDF

BATTALION CHIEF ROBERT INGRAM (FDNY)
"We decided to set up a command post on the outside in the side street on the west side of West Street over by the financial building. As we were out there trying to notify units, we had radioed to position, we heard the second plane come in and observed it hit the second building, south tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110268.PDF

FIREFIGHTER GEORGE KOZLOWSKI
"We just got relieved after 0900, fireman Escofrery and myself. We saw the plane coming over, sort of over quarters and then the initial crash we heard the initial crash."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110308.PDF

CAPTAIN DAVID LOPER (FDNY)
"Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110349.PDF

EMT ALEXANDER LOUTSKY (E.M.S.)
"As I was going back to my area which is a few blocks from the world trade center, I was talking with my partner, Hank Ramos, and saw in front of me while we were about—I would say around Pearl Street—we had a view of the World Trade Center which was only a few blocks away. And I stopped him and said to look at that plane, that it was flying extremely low, and that it looked like it was about to hit. A few seconds later, it did hit."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110151.PDF

LEUTENENT DOMINICK MAGGIORE (EMS)
"As I was on my way back to battalion 50 from BHS, I saw the second plane hit the towers from the BQE. I came back to battalion 50 and got in the command car with Lisa Desena, one of the division ALS coordinators, and paramedic Chris Lefkaditis, and we responded in."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110120.PDF

EMS LIEUTENANT BRADLEY MANN
"I would say probably about maybe half hour or so later, all of sudden we heard a roar and I looked at lieutenant Nevins and he looked at me and we looked up and the next thing we knew, there was another plane, and it crashed into the other tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110194.PDF

LIEUTENANT JOHN MENDEZ (FDNY)
"So I went to the window on the seventh floor, and I observed the Trade Center on fire. I stood there for a while, and there was a lot of people at the window, firefighters, civilians, chiefs. The next thing you know, we saw another plane hit the building. A ball of flame came out, and actually the concussion shook our building. We felt the concussion from it."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110175.PDF

LIEUTENANT BRUCE MEDJUCK (EMS)
"We saw when we first started to go over the Brooklyn Bridge, the building smoking, tower one smoking, heavy black smoke coming out. Just as we came out of the bridge, we could see again the towers also with the plane come and slam into tower two."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110086.PDF

EMT MICHAEL MEJIAS
Shortly after that, the second plane came. I hear a big rush, like a low flying jet and I see a massive explosion. I hear a big rush, like a low flying jet and I see a massive explosion.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110149.PDF

EMT ALWISH MONCHERRY
"I’m looking from the 59th street bridge, you can see the towers, you can see the smoke. The buildings just look like a cigarette basically. When we get the call to go over the bridge (I’m not too sure about the time) when we’re on the bridge there’s plenty of traffic. That’s when we noticed the second plane hitting tower two. I just couldn’t believe that that happened.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110127.PDF

 

Ibid.
PARAMEDIC TRACEY MULQUEEN
I was watching for a few minutes, and the second plane came in. Basically the next thing I remember after that was we had all of our office's medical equipment on a chair and we were running out the building.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110010.PDF

LIEUTENANT MURRAY MURAD (FDNY)
"I went back upstairs because I wanted to get something out of my bag. Maybe about 10 to 12-minutes after that first plane, I heard another plane. Then I said to myself, we're being attacked. I ran downstairs. No sooner did I run downstairs and look up, that I saw the second plane strike the south tower. It was such a vicious hit and such a precision hit, it was unbelievable."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110009.PDF

FIREFIGHTER JAMES MURPHY:
"After that I ran up to the roof on the third floor with me and Eric Bernsten. We were watching it. We could see it from here. We have an unobstructed view. The other guys came up too. All six of us were on the roof...
Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went right into it going from east to west. But as it turns out, it came from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and explode.
I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something, "Oh, my God, there's another plane." I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. You don't expect it. We just freaked."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110323.PDF

FIRE MARSHAL STEVEN MOSIELLO
"Yes, yes, the second plane hit. We saw the second plane hit--if you want me to go back to when the second plane hit. I was told by Chief Ingram, who was a terrorist and hazmat-type guy, that we've got to be careful of secondary explosions or secondary devices. Who knew that the secondary device would be another plane? People actually saw the plane. You heard it, the closer it got. It just got louder and louder. I say that he throttled up as fast as he could. That's what it sounded like, but I think he became more in earshot of us. And he just came in and put the plane into the building."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110141.PDF

FIREFIGHTER DOMINICK MUSCHELLO
"As we watched the fire from the third floor, we saw the second plane fly right into the center of the building clear as day."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110249.PDF

CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO (FDNY)
"At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower. At that point it was clear to me it was a terrorist attack. Earlier I didn't know what it was. I assumed it was an accident."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDF

FIREFIGHTER ROBERT NORRIS
"We all got out of the rig, and we were standing there. We watched another plane come in. I felt the plane was coming underneath the pillar of smoke that was coming out of the first tower, but obviously it veered into the tower, and it took another hit"
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110396.PDF

BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN O'FLAHERTY (FDNY)
"Just then out of the corner of my eye, I could see this plane. I just remember the dark. It was in the shadow. It looked low. I thought, "What the heck is the guy doing?" I watched it, watched him turn and crash right into the south tower. Right away I knew it was terrorism or terrorists. I didn't know what the first one was, but I knew what the second one was."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110431.PDF

FIREFIGHTER JOHN OTTRANDO
"I saw Battalion 2 in the lobby of the north tower. After that I stayed there a few more minutes, and then I went out to my company. We were stretching hose. I saw the second plane hit the south tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110355.PDF

EMT FRANK PASTOR
"I remember our normal routine in the morning, go get our breakfast, and we go sit and we cover Red Hook, so we had the view of the city. We were sitting there, and we were looking at the city. All of is sudden my partner says to me, "Frankie, that plane seems to be low." ...and she yells out, "Frank that plane just hit the building."......We can't believe what's going on, and she says -- and I remember my partner, Mala, saying again to me, "That other plane is low." I don't know how much time, 10, 15 minutes, and we seen the other plane hit."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110135.PDF

 

Back to gaslighting SPAM

and MORE gaslighting SPAM

Any strict debate determined to get to the FACTS OF THE CASE/PROPOSITION must understand the strongest versus the weakest form of evidence based decision making.

Abstract
The present research explores how important different trial evidence is to mock jurors’ decisions. Study 1 surveys legal professionals to determine what evidence is common at homicide trials. Study 2 utilizes the list of evidence generated in:

Study 1 to ask mock jurors to report how important each piece of evidence would be in deciding their verdicts.

The results indicate that:
DNA <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!] is most important to mock jurors, followed by
fingerprints, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!] the
weapon, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
video records, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
crime-scene photos, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
gunshot residue, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
bodily secretions, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
video confession, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
testimony from a forensic expert, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
eyewitness testimony. <<<[Finally THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL, OPINION what Beta uses...unreliable testimony!]

Study 3 utilizes a different methodology wherein mock jurors were presented with folders labeled with different evidence and asked to choose the piece of evidence they wanted to learn more about first, second, and so on. The results from Study 3 indicate again that:
DNA evidence is most important to mock jurors, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!] followed by
video confession evidence, <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!] and
fingerprint evidence <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]
eyewitness testimony, <<[the well understood most unreliable evidence! Except of course by Beta its the most important evidence] Implications are discussed.

Key words: evidence, homicide trial, juror decision-making
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6818361/

What you see below is engineering and science <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]

Beta's whole plane theory has to be thrown out due to no tail damage and long list of other corroborative contradictions of the facts as proven.

MOST people understand that is just the way FACT finding works, Beta does not apparently.

Betas testimonials are even contradicted, which testimonial do we believe?

We are left with material forensic evidence and that as been a laughable failure for the believer team as we see in every discussion

People want the FACTS Beta, not pages of Gish Gallop and Gas Lighting!

The forensic material evidence, (or lack thereof) gives the people what they want, not a shitload of contradictory opinions.

Planes fail the forensic sniff test as you just found out!

CRASH ANALYSIS BELOW <<[Forensic Material Corroboration!]




And that is just the zit on the wing of the fly sitting on the iceberg FFS!

Beta's posted attempt at forensics is now resting in peace beside the titanic.

The rest is just opinion, that is meaningless without forensic corroboration.

Witness testimony that Beta relies so heavily upon is moot because there are other eye witnesses that contradict Betas witnesses!

Forensic Material evidence wins the what is useful evidence test.

Can we have a serious fact finding discussion now and get back to forensics?

 

​

Both planes are claimed to be going roughly 550 mph and we saw the hezerkoni plane go right through and inside the building like a hot knife through butter so we can conclude the same condition was pedaled for wtc1




So when we get MOST of the plane positioned for the least contradictory damage anomalies, (and the plane is measured and dimensionally scaled to the building with high degree of accuracy), we still have over 20 feet of tail that didnt even scuff the paint!

There are other anomalies but that is an incontrovertible plane killer in crash analysis.


Forensics do not corroborate with a REAL plane crash. Plane eye witnesses failed to be corroborated by forensic material fact

Game over, /Planers

 

and worst of all believers (planers) are now posting agenda driven photoshopped pictures. Pretty sad state of affairs!

 

If there is anyone being swayed by this current line of batshit, I strongly suggest you read the blog I m currently quoting from. The "911-truthers" got all cross when THEIR witnesses to "pools of molten steel" were called in to question, yet here we are with hundreds of people who saw planes and the Jedi mind control trick is being attempted.

Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory: 9/11 No-Planes Fail Blog: Dr. Judy Wood (debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com)
The impact hole in WTC1, according to Wood, appeared unrealistic--like a Wile E. Coyote cut-out. What most caught her attention, she says, was that the wing-tips of the alleged airliner had cut cleanly through the steel perimeter box-columns of the tower. Dr. Wood explains that this is an obvious impossibility. The wing-tips of an airliner are light and fragile, don't carry fuel like the rest of the wing, and therefore lack the necessary mass to penetrate the columns.





"When we see things that are impossible", stated Wood, "we giggle". The physics professor therefore giggled to herself upon seeing the massively damaged Twin Towers which had become a horrific inferno and death trap on the morning of 9/11.


Epic Fail: Dr.Wood's Ignorance

It's rather shocking that Dr. Wood--purportedly an accomplished and respected physicist, researcher, and academic--would be so arrogant, so brazen, and so scientifically inept as to conclude immediately that the impact hole in WTC1 was impossible merely from a subjective visual assessment of the damage on standard definition television. So confident was Dr. Wood in her prima facie analysis that she actually smirked, laughing to herself while among faculty colleagues who watched aghast the horror unfolding before them.

How can any such person be at all regarded as rational, much less scientifically credible?

In fact, her analysis of the damage was/is absolutely wrong. Dr. Wood bases her "cartoon physics" criticism on her conjecture that an airliner's aluminum wingtips are too light and fragile to have penetrated the towers' columns as she apparently observed on television. The problem with her rationale is that no wingtip of either plane penetrated the steel columns of either tower. It's astounding that she's ignorant of this fact.

The first and most obvious way Dr. Wood could have verified her initial observation (had the notion occurred to her) would have been to examine existing photographs of the impact holes. It's foolish to rely solely on low resolution video for forensic analysis. If Dr. Wood was skeptical regarding the physical nature of the impact damage, why wouldn't she have examined any of the existing high-resolution images of the towers taken by photographers on 9/11? When looking at photographs, it's very easy to see that the wingtips did not sever the steel columns, and instead cut only through the exterior aluminum cladding, marking and/or bending the columns underneath, but not severing them. (click on the below images to see them in full resolution).
Tower 1 Impact Hole






Tower 2 Impact Hole









Dr. Wood's negligence extends beyond overlooking the photographic evidence, however, because not only is it obvious from photographs that the wing-tips did not penetrate the columns, this observation was explicitly stated in the NIST report as is shown below.(NIST NCSTAR 1-5A: Visual Evidence, Damage Estimates, and Timeline Analysis).


NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, p. 65

NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, p. 108

It's clear that Dr. Wood hasn't even read this part of the NIST report, the chapter devoted to assessing the initial damage to the towers. How could this be? How could someone who claims to be a scientist and truth-seeking researcher, someone who has published her own book claiming to be "the only comprehensive-forensic investigation into what happened to the World Trade Center complex on 9/11" have neglected to thoroughly read the NIST report, the most exhaustive investigative study published on the destruction of the towers?


Judy Wood wants you to believe this:


The reality is this:

WTC 1

WTC 2
(Dotted lines show where the outer aluminum cladding was marked, leaving intact the steel columns underneath.)


Conclusion
Dr. Wood criticizes the NIST report, but hasn't even read it. She laughs at the airplane impact damage, but hasn't really looked at it. Whatever sort of "research" Dr. Wood claims to have done, it's far from scientific and cannot be taken seriously.

The impact holes in the twin towers present a very a big problem for the No-Plane Theory, leaving questions to which proponents of the theory have failed to provide any viable answers.

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  • If real planes did not impact the towers how were the perpetrators able to create large holes that exactly match the dimensions of 767's with exterior steel beams and/or entire steel panels bent or punched INWARD? This was done with explosives? Explosives that were somehow invisible from the outside of the towers? How could this have possibly been done?

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  • Additionally, how were they able to create impressions of the wingtips and vertical stabilizers, indentations in the outer aluminum cladding ONLY that left the steel underneath intact, or in some cases bent (again, inward)? This would be impossible to do with explosives planted only on the inside of the towers, and probably impossible with any kind of explosives inside or outside the towers.

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  • None of this--the imprinted outer cladding, the inwardly bent columns, the massive column panels punched into the interior of towers--has been reasonably explained by no-plane theorists, nor can it be. The only viable explanation is the obvious one, that jumbo jet planes flying extremely fast--the same ones filmed and photographed by dozens of photographers and witnessed by thousands of bystanders--impacted and penetrated both towers, causing the observed gashes in the buildings, exactly the kind of physical damage as would be expected.

 

More gaslighting folks.

To claim a plane does not have a tail that would leave a place a mark on the facade or that boeing designed a hide n seek 'peek a boo' tail fin is ludicrous, or the completely over the top nutterville lunacy that the plane is sucked inside is beyond physical ignorance, its downright stupidity.

Heres your viable answer:




The above sketch was done with meticulous dimensional accuracy on an unphotoshopped original.

We have already proven the pics beta posted are photoshopped and faked.

Then some amature saying that columns cant be bent with explosives bwahahaha!

/Planers

 

Columns - inwards. Just that closes this batshittery.

Kokomojojo - "Then some amature saying that columns cant be bent with explosives bwahahaha!"

Well gee, nobody is saying explosives don't bend things - but BENT INWARDS?

• If real planes did not impact the towers how were the perpetrators able to create large holes that exactly match the dimensions of 767's with exterior steel beams and/or entire steel panels bent or punched INWARD? This was done with explosives? Explosives that were somehow invisible from the outside of the towers? How could this have possibly been done?

NEVER will this be answered.

 

Its been answered, if you dont like or dont understand the answer thats not my problem.
Its no surprise Judy Woods laughed btw, I did too.
Thanks btw for trotting out that wtc2 pic!



I know I know, as far as you are concerned all that is INWARD!

What you dont seem to comprehend about me is that I dont give a damn how or who, I only deal in physical material forensics. I only give a damn about what I can PHYSICALLY see on the table for review, not who scratched their ass on Sunday and could have possibly had the audacity to drink my last beer or all the other quaint dramas you like to play footsie with.

Evidentiary assessment begins with the physical evidence, once that is established as a FACT then and only then do we move forward to figure out sho scratched whos ass, and ass scratching is not in my genre or ball game, you need to find someone else to discuss any ass scratching, it wont be me.

 

Um Excuse me.....They didnt!




Whats wrong here? Do I need a bigger picture or bigger FONT, BOLD, IN RED underlined to get through to you?

The demo crew for the North Tower obviously didnt get the memo. 767 not a flying saucer

Yes I know, 757's have peek-a-boo tail fins!

 

As I said columns bent inwards. EVERYONE can see this except the "no-planer" - says everything. Apparently, columns hit from the outside and undeniably so, resemble "cigars". But they are bent inwards.

I don't know which is more nauseating, the insanity about claiming hundreds are lying.... or ....the faceplanting claim about doctored videos.... or..... the absolutely in-your-face images showing the columns bent inwards.

INWARDS. DAMAGE ON OUTSIDE CLADDING - magic hushabooms?

You have made no allowance for high-impact deformation. None. Your ridiculous claim that the plane should be a cartoon cutout is covered on the blog you keep ignoring.

 

INWARDS - HELLO???

 

Now we are back to that same photoshopped POS pic you posted earlier.



explosives cause high impact deformations! LOL

 

Pathetic response - all the building impact images show exterior damage and inwards columns.

Magic hushabooms huh? They bend things in the direction of the blast.

You have made no allowance for high-impact deformation. None. Your ridiculous claim that the plane should be a cartoon cutout is covered on the blog you keep ignoring.

 

Its 100% correct!

Magic planes with peek-a-boo hide-n-seek tails!

All the pics show columns that are exploded cigars.



High impact deformation caused by rapidly expanding gas from an explosion!

Such ****ing nonsense.

It only takes one piece of forensic evidence to toss the whole jihacker planer theory in the trash, I already listed several.

Got any more photoshopped pics you want me to see?

/planers

 

Gotta laugh at a "no-planer" suggesting the hundreds of witnesses is "gaslighting"!
Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory: First-Responder Eyewitnesses to the Planes that Hit the WTC on 9/11 (debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com)

CHIEF JOSEPH PFEIFER (FDNY)
"I was working the night before in the 1st Battalion, and sometime about 8:15 or so in the morning we got a call to Lispenard and Church for a gas leak in the street. We were there for a while checking on the gas leak, and then we heard the loud roar of the plane come over, and we turned around and we looked and we saw the plane coming down, heading south towards the Trade Center, and made a direct hit on the Trade Center."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110138.PDF

CHIEF PETER HAYDEN (FDNY)
"At this point in the event, I heard a plane passing overhead extremely low [When at WTC] I really could not see any indication at that time that a plane had hit it, but certainly it appeared some catastrophic event had occurred."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110139.PDF

EMT-D RALPH RAMOS
"We were returning back there from Battalion 4 and we were going up, I believe it's Pearl Street, and my partner Alex Loutsky and I, we witnessed the first plane hit the first tower. Saw it flying low and we thought, that plane's flying kind of low, and then it hit the building and we went over the radio and we told central that we had witnessed a plane hitting the building, and at first she didn't believe us, but then other units started saying they saw the same thing and then we proceeded straight over to the Trade Center."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110303.PDF

FIREFIGHTER JAMES CURRAN
"We had found out what grate the leak was coming from and our Chief Pfiefer was bent over with the gas meter. We heard the plane, we looked up was low enough that it rattled the buildings we were standing at. We saw it come out from behind the buildings and hit tower one and like I said, a fireball, looked like 10 or 20 stories big, shot out the south side of the tower and then out the hole that the plane made going in."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110412.PDF

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD CARLETTI
"Well, here's how my morning starts. I usually come in around 8:00 like everyone does, but I went to vote, so I was late. I was coming up Allen, which turns into First. When I was crossing Delancey Street, I saw a jet in front of me, which was the first jet. He was pretty low. He was probably about 30 stories. Now I'm heading north and crossing Delancey Street on Allen and I see the jet make a move toward the Trade Center. It made a south-westerly turn from that point.

I proceeded up First Avenue, left on 14th, parked in front of the firehouse. Fireman Lynn was there. He said they were out on a box, they wouldn't let him on because they thought they had a good job, and right then he told me a plane just crashed into the Trade Center. It was the same exact plane I just saw."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110419.PDF

FIREFIGHTER NICHOLAS BORRILLO
"We were at a box for odor of gas in the street on Church and Lispenard. We were investigating that. We were just about ready to take up from that box and come back when we heard the roar of the engines of the plane. Before we knew it, it was overhead. Within two seconds it hit the north tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110426.PDF

FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH CASALIGGI:
"On the morning of September 11th we were operating a box up on Church Street Near Canal. There was an odor of gas in the area. While we were out operating, we heard the first plane coming in. I turned around and I watched the plane crash into the north tower."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110430.PDF

LIEUTENANT WILLIAM WALSH (FDNY)
"We received a run about 8:30 in the morning for a gas leak up at Lispenard Street and Church. We were operating at that box along with Engine 7, Battalion 1 and Ladder Company 8. I believe 55 Engine was there also, maybe Engine 24. I'm not [sure]. After about 15 minutes, we conclude our operations there. Lispenard is about one block south of Canal Street. I believe the chief gave the code for a gas leak, 10-40, code 1. All the units were about to go 10-8 when we heard this loud roar. Everybody thought -- or at least to me it sounded as though there was going to be a Con Edison steam explosion. This was about a quarter to 9, I'd say. So everybody looked up to where they thought they heard the sound coming from, and we saw an American Airlines plane. To me it looked as though it was going treetop level right down West Street. Then he appeared to rise a little bit. We were under the impression -- he looked like he was going down, but we didn't hear any mechanical difficulty. We couldn't figure out why an American Airlines plane would be so low in downtown Manhattan. We sort of expected him to veer off and go into the Hudson. But he just rose a little bit, his altitude, leveled off, and he was headed straight for the Trade Center. So just before he got to the Trade Center, it seemed as though he gained power. We were just watching this airplane on target for the World Trade Center. All of a sudden, boom, he disappears into the Trade Center. You hear this sickening noise as if two pieces of fiberglass had hit. You hear this loud explosion. He just disappeared into the Trade Center."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110442.PDF

FIREFIGHTER THOMAS SPINARD
"We got a box on Church and Leonard of an odor of gas. So Engine 7 and Ladder 1, Battalion 1, responds. It turned out to be a false alarm. As we were at the box, a plane passes us overhead real low. You could hear it; you could feel it. We turned around, and it just impacted the building, building one. With that, everybody got on the rig. We started driving."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110445.PDF