It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

Only someone living in a true fantasy world would actually "believe" that no one has died from the mRNA manipulating "MIRACLE" vaccines that was based on a FAKED pandemic and an equally FAKEd viron that was never isolated and purified except on a computer.....

[brainwashing complete]

 

It's interesting how many can't make the correlation between Bill Gates hosting of "Event 201" and then in the beginning of the following year the WHO, of which BG is the largest financial contributor, declaring a scamdemic. Hmm.

 

Your quote may say more about Churchill than John D, Rockefeller.

 

But is there causation?

 

1. We lived through it for 2 years, 3 years ago.
2. Gates is the largest financial contributor to WHO, which means influence.
3. Gates has heavily invested in pharmaceuticals since he gave up MS and created the Gates Foundation
4. Openly explains "if we make good vaccines etc, we can lower this number by 10-15%". (Population)
5. Recently explained the "vaccines don't work". Yet there is a trail of carnage left behind dead and adversely affected bodies.
6. There was a planned event to scare the crap out of people into taking an injection that ineffectively doesn't work. A PRS
Problem, Reaction Solution tactic was used.
7. A smaller population makes it easier to control.

 

John D. Rockefeller (and his Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research[sic] which was established in 1901 is nothing but a medical $CAM) is behind the real reason when it comes to actual healing, that even though Doctors are well versed in human anatomy, yet all they've been taught by this man and his fellow Eugenicists that followed in his footsteps, is to do whatsoever that will keep the "population low" and the governments monopolistic pharmaceutical companies in trillion dollar plus businesses.

 

It seems that Rockefeller's Institute did a lot of good in saving lives. This does not exactly support the claim that his goal was to keep the population low.

Tamny, John. When Politicians Panicked: The New Coronavirus, Expert Opinion, and a Tragic Lapse of Reason (p. 24). Post Hill Press. Kindle Edition.

 

If you do not want me to challenge your words:

1-provide evidence of your conspiracy
2-provide death reports from people who took the Covid 19 vaccine and indicate how they rose and over which time period
3-stop trying to make this about you and take responsibility for your words and specifically lack of evidence for your allegations doctors killed people and are killing people with the vaccine.

No it is not acceptable for you to attack all doctors and health care providers with smears, i.e., unproven negative allegations that question their integrity, but pose yourself as a victim when you are challenged for doing so. You are no victim. Your words however show hate form doctors and smear them and that I challenge.

 

I would like to say to all posters on this forum when I used the reference "intellectually dishonest" I did not mean to attack anyone including AFM personally and make a public apology which I was not asked to do. My purpose is to challenge the exercise of making a claim people have died of taking a vaccine but providing no proof of such a claim as being disingenuous.

People can die by not taking the vaccine. People can die by spreading a contagious virus to someone not fortunate to be able to take the vaccine. People can die because the hospital service they needed was taken up by someone with Covid 19 virus who could have prevented using that service by taking their vaccine.

That is the point. To smear all kinds of doctors and health care professionals asking us to think of others and help manage the spread of the virus claiming they are liars but then claiming we should not challenge the smear as being dishonest seems to me to create a double standard where someone can call a doctor dishonest but then claim to be a victim of a personal attack if their words calling that doctor a liar are challenged.

My intent is not to attack anyone personally. What someone chooses as their life decisions including whether they take a vaccine or not is not the issue. Their words calling doctors conspirators, claiming things they don't prove, that I challenge.

Thank you. I say that because I want to focus on the lack of evidence that Covid 19 vaccines kill that have NOT EVER been presented by those who claim it does on this thread.

I ask them all again, provide your deaths from the vaccine and how they increased over what time period. If you can not do that stop making a claim you can not prove. To make claims with zero evidence speaks loudly as to its lack of credibility. That is the issue.

Thank you.

 

From the referenced book:


“After a systematic review of the literature, the Lausanne Study determined there had been 1101 such cases–over a period of 38 years. That’s an average of about 29 per year. These days, we’d be grateful to see even a single month with only 29 such events. In fact, since June 2021, there hasn’t been even one month with fewer than 29 of these sudden deaths; there were 90 reported in December 2021 alone, and about the same the month after that.”

— "Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 (Children’s Health Defense) by Ed Dowd
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“Imagine that two healthy teenage boys are found dead in their beds a few days apart. In both cases, emergency responders knew immediately that resuscitation would be futile. Just days before they died, both had received the second dose of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. An autopsy in Connecticut, and another in Michigan confirmed the official cause of death for both boys: Vaccine-induced myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle, swelling of the heart). When official agencies in two states conclude that COVID vaccines can kill healthy teenagers, wouldn’t that seem to be important national news? But it was barely reported anywhere. Using the QR code, you can confirm right now that this suppressed story is true. Confirm: https:// delivr.com/ 2jt7z”

— "Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 (Children’s Health Defense) by Ed Dowd
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From the referenced paper:


Conclusions.—
The myocardial injury seen in these postvaccine hearts is different from typical myocarditis and has an appearance most closely resembling a catecholamine-mediated stress (toxic) cardiomyopathy. Understanding that these instances are different from typical myocarditis and that cytokine storm has a known feedback loop with catecholamines may help guide screening and therapy.

Myocarditis in adolescents (particularly teenage boys) has been reported following the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.1–7 Since cardiac biopsies are rarely performed in these instances with clinically stable patients, the myocardial pathology has not been clearly elucidated.8 Myocarditis is rarely diagnosed at autopsy in deaths due to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.9,10 The incidence of myocarditis, although low, has been shown to increase after the receipt of the BNT162b2 vaccine, particularly after the second dose among young male recipients.11 In addition, the first week after the second vaccine dose was found to be the main risk window.11 The clinical presentation of myocarditis after vaccination was usually mild.11

We report the autopsy results, including microscopic myocardial findings, of 2 teenage boys who died within the first week after receiving the second Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 dose. The microscopic findings are not the alterations seen with typical myocarditis. This suggest a role for cytokine storm, which may occur with an excessive inflammatory response, as there also is a feedback loop between catecholamines and cytokines.12

 

People really need to open their eyes on what influence the greedy Oil Baron tycoon John D Rockefeller had on modern Allopathic medicine and the berth of the BIG Pharma Cartels and the lengths his Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research went to in order to have proven homeopathic and natural treatments ignored by the current medical industry. The current system [of sick care] was hijacked all in the name of greed power and control. Most people do not understand why we are sick today and how corporate medicine was set up 100 years a go to have you blindly trust our current medical model that does not cure, but only poorly manages yours, and theirs, self-induced health issues.

The healthcare system in the US (and abroad) hasn't been about health for at least 150 years. Unless it's about broken bones, torn ligaments, and extortionately operations to save a person, etc. the current greedy evil medical industry needs to be gone including the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA, CDC etc.

I have only touched the surface on the real TRUTH behind our sick Medical Monopoly with the long history of "big" names you know, like Rockefeller, JP Morgan, and the Rothschild's who bank rolled it all with the interlocking directorships - medical insurance & the FDA in their back pockets. The AMA became powerful via 2 Super Quacks - one never practiced medicine & the longest seated "president" never got a degree, but ran a woman's house for abortion & pimping whores and later was squeezing money from pharmaceutical companies until they became powerful enough to finally control him.

All one needs to do is open their mind and then do some actual "real" research on how the Big Pharma companies got complete control of all the medical schools, text books, professors chairs & research via "funding & grants". Big Pharma controls all research to their patent-profit-benefit. The control is like a vampire squid - notice the private for PROFIT hospitals. There's even a tie in to the Big Processed Food Industry that keeps people perpetually sick until their body can no longer sustain itself (now being seen in the teen years, their 20's, 30's and 40's years of age) and then they are then shoved on to "their" deadly pharmaceutical products that does nothing towards healing and recovery.

A simple example of this is how iodine has been removed from bread & flour products way back in 1987 & the introductions of goitrogen bromides being forced into use; and fluoride in water (which is also a goitrogen) and a cellular neuro toxin that promotes Hypothyroidism (original use insect & rat poison).

Today's allopathic Doctors are all led around by Pharma reps. Most people don't know that there are 3 cancer cures that are banned, while the so called Cancer Society continues to milk you for donation $$$ and then promotes those who shove you on deadly radiation and chemotherapy treatments that both have universally poor outcomes.

The "Medical Monopolists" COUNT on their unending propaganda/lies & your ignorance to NOT find the Root-Causes of your illness &/or disease; and that's there money maker.

 

Sorry but not one thing you provided links the deaths to the vaccines. There is no causal link. What the info does is infer a cause and effect without evidence of one simply because of timing.

Timing is not sufficient to prove a link. Please understand that. Science does not make conclusions without cause and effect or what is called causality which has to be provenproven. All the deaths you provided have never been proven to be caused by the vaccine. There is no link. You assume there is from the timing only.

Do I believe and does medical science believe there is an increase in risks for some who take the vaccine, of course including inflammatory responses, myocarditis, the "storm" you talk of, actually many other things too we both have not discussed.

I am the first to tell you people with heart disease, cancer, lupus, arthritis, psoriasis, organ transplants, diabetes, liver or kidney disease, other chronic or terminal conditions may be at increased risk when taking ANY medicine or vaccine. Of course.

However that does not mean anyone has died from or will die from the vaccine alone. It could be a combo of the symptoms of the vaccine plus a pre-existing condition in combination led to a death but to establish cause of death you can not simply jump to a conclusion from timing of a condition. That is not science. You may see a connection but science does not until it can actually link what the vaccine does to the actual cause of death.

In autopsies to date there is no clear indication the vaccine killed anyone by itself. People with any high risks are told not to take the vaccine. Those doctors being accused of conspiracy track every adverse effect.


The FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem but ytour information assumes this with no proof of a link.

More than 669 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 1, 2023. During this time, VAERS received 19,115 preliminary reports of death (0.0029%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. Go look it up.

The CDC and FDA clinicians have to review reports of all deaths to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.


In fact their continuing to monitor and in fact have identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. NINE.

 

Read the autopsy report.


The myocardial injury seen in these postvaccine hearts is different from typical myocarditis and has an appearance most closely resembling a catecholamine-mediated stress (toxic) cardiomyopathy. Understanding that these instances are different from typical myocarditis and that cytokine storm has a known feedback loop with catecholamines may help guide screening and therapy.

Myocarditis in adolescents (particularly teenage boys) has been reported following the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.1–7 Since cardiac biopsies are rarely performed in these instances with clinically stable patients, the myocardial pathology has not been clearly elucidated.8 Myocarditis is rarely diagnosed at autopsy in deaths due to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.9,10 The incidence of myocarditis, although low, has been shown to increase after the receipt of the BNT162b2 vaccine, particularly after the second dose among young male recipients.11 In addition, the first week after the second vaccine dose was found to be the main risk window.11 The clinical presentation of myocarditis after vaccination was usually mild.11

We report the autopsy results, including microscopic myocardial findings, of 2 teenage boys who died within the first week after receiving the second Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 dose. The microscopic findings are not the alterations seen with typical myocarditis. This suggest a role for cytokine storm, which may occur with an excessive inflammatory response, as there also is a feedback loop between catecholamines and cytokines.12


https://doi.org/10.5858/arpa.2021-0435-SA

 

So, what are the three cures?

 

Why did Pfizer not report on time? Why did they not report preliminary results on time? What are they hiding?

https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_...n-after-pfizer-covid-vaccination_5056400.html

 

First of all when you rely on the Epoch Times as your source with due respect:
it has an open agenda that makes it follow a pronounced bias, i.e.,

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...aims/103-9290495e-a501-44fa-b7df-0bb0e385328b

Now in regards to Pfizer's report on adverse effects of its vaccine:

1. First lets talk about the actual risk:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda...-inflammation-to-pfizer-moderna-vaccines.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc...t-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

As per the above and other students anyone can find on line, the risk found was 12.5 cases of POSSIBLE heart inflammation not death from taking 2 doses of the vaccine.

In fact the risk is a bit higher with Moderna and not Pfizer. Not withstanding that, here is the standard info given out by governments and health clinics, I took Australia's but its the same everywhere:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-and-pericarditis-after-covid-19-vaccines.pdf

Just so we are clear as to what the medical condition is we are talking about from the CDC:

"Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. Pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart.

In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis.

Both myocarditis and pericarditis have the following symptoms:

• Chest pain
• Shortness of breath
• Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart

Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported.

When reported, the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

• More often after the second dose
• Usually within a week of vaccination
• Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
• Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve.
• Those who have been diagnosed with myocarditis should consult with their cardiologist (heart doctor) about return to exercise or sports."

source:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...rditis have rarely,Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

The above info is advised to anyone taking Moderna or Pfizer and people are advised to seek medical care if they or their children have any of the specific or general symptoms of myocarditis or pericarditis.

No one is covering this up and again no one was covering up any deaths:

Here:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...monstrate-vaccine-caused-events-or-is-unsafe/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-pfizer-idUSL2N2VK1G1


There was in fact a legal dispute as to Pfizer releasing certain information yes:

https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/data-is-...release-of-pfizer-vaccine-documents-1.5816089

Is there a delay in releasing certain info yes...but the question is why so please with that in mind consider these words and this article which addresses the delay:

"To disclose or not to disclose?
Tom Frieden, former US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director, says it’s a challenge for public health agencies to balance the release of contentious information. “There’s a valid concern that reports of adverse events will be misinterpreted as causal when they’re not causal to the treatment or vaccine given, and another concern is if you don’t present the information, you may be seen as hiding something, which is also problematic. So, this is not an easy area,” says Frieden."

source for above:

https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2527

Please read the article. What I am saying is the delay does not mean there is a conspiracy and most importantly the adverse effects are not killing people but of course they might exasperate or add to a pre-existing condition that could kill or make sick someone so you as a patient have the right to know of course.

 

Logical fallacy. Attack the source instead of the argument.

The public has a right to be updated. The autopsy report should be directly addressed. The myocarditis was abnormal and suggests vaccination as causal. Young children are at very very low risk to covid and should notbe vaccinated unless they have preconditions or a Vitamin D deficiency.

 

You couldn't deal with what he wrote, so you came up with this?

 

Exactly. Which is the exact point of the entire discussion. General information is meaningless. The population must be broken down into age groups subdivided by preconditions to get any meaningful information. No one claiming that the “vaccines” are safe has done that.

 

why would Trump declare a national emergency over a fake pandemic?

 

He followed the recommendations of his medical experts.

 

First of all do you even know what a logical fallacy is AFM? My stating Epoch Times has a pronounced bias is a fact. It has stated it believes Covid 19 was created by the Chinese Communist Party. Of course that bias and it being the mouthpiece of the cult group Falun Gung presents it with a bias.

So if I challenge that bias and question whether it distorts its views that is not a fallacy let alone illogical. By the way if I presented a formal fallacy as an argument I would have presented a premise and conclusion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny and if I had presented an informal fallacy I would have presented an error in the form, content, or context of your arguments. I did neither. So stop with the name calling. Clearly you use it as a deflection to avoid discussing the concern I brought to your attention.

Epoch Times has repeatedly presented false information about Covid 19, i.e.,

https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/the-epoch-times/



Here is some criticism as to its biases which colour its presentation of anything to do with Covid 19:

“Falun Gong has a history of rejecting modern medicine, which obviously intersects neatly with the beliefs of many anti-vax communities,” said Elise Thomas at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. The belief that following Falang Gong’s teaching, not medicine, can prevent ailments is widespread among the movement’s practitioners. ...

“They’ve been anti-medicine for a long time,” said Ben Hurley, an ex-staffer from Epoch Times Australia and former Falun Gong believer. Hurley added that many practitioners refuse medical care. “Many ex-believers know many people that have died from treatable conditions,” he said. “It’s their belief that they don’t need medicine, because they’re super human beings.”

source: https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/epoch-times/

So for me to present a concern that its beliefs from the above may predispose it to its campaign in regards to how it discusses Covid 19 is relevant and you calling it a logical fallacy is absurd. Its a fact.

The above beliefs it has were not made up by me they are in fact stated crystal clear in its articles so of course it has a bias and how can that not impact on what it reports and how. How could it not?

Also you presented one case of concern. ONE. The case you presented isn't even a definite link to the vaccine. ONE.

Based on that what? Do you want to spread an unsubstantiated rumour Pfizer is killing people?

Next I never debated or challenged the concept that adverse effects should not be investigated. You in fact deliberately ignored what I in fact stated in response to you and gave a response to positions I never argued...why? Why

Why do you respond to what I said by ignoring what I said and change the subject to something I never argued?

For that matter who on this thread ever argued people do not have the right to know about adverse effects of any medicine?

 

You attack the source instead of the argument. That’s a logical fallacy in which you argue that anything from the source is untrue. You confirm that in your first statement.

If you can’t produce data with the granulation I have specified you can’t prove or disprove anything.

And there are more than one case presented in my source. Using the scientific method what does this one case mean?

 

so Trump did not pick the best people

 

Who should have been on the task force?

Fauci was inherited. He was appointed in 1984.

The right guy was Scott Atlas.