It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm talking about things you would rather ignore.
     
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    Sorry, but not even the smallpox vaccine is 100% effective.

    "Smallpox vaccination can protect you from smallpox for about 3 to 5 years. After that time, its ability to protect you decreases. If you need long-term protection, you may need to get a booster vaccination. Find out who should get smallpox vaccine.

    Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus."

    https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html

    You're just wrong about vaccines.
    You're wrong about high quality respirators, too.
    A lot of people are prepared to take the covid vaccine because it provides short-term protection against contracting covid and protection longer term against serious illness and long covid.
     
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    You talk, but provide little evidence.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When is the last smallpox breakout in the US?

    The data from the sources I have referenced confirm that I am correct.

    And I am also correct on N95 respirators based on data that I have referenced.

    People should decide based on complete and accurate information including side effects and testing details. That has not and is not the case.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evidence including fully referenced books have been provided for all claims.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Showing evidence to the blind is a waste of time.
     
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    I've worn this inexpensive P100 respirator many times without having to "push it up to catch my breath" because it has a one-way valve. Hospital staff working around covid patients wear them, too.

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    Do they know something you don't?
     
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    Is that why you don't provide evidence--you think we're all blind? :roll: :roll:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Figuratively, of course. Cognitive dissonance, willful ignorance. You and others are like my dear brother--he is smart, but he is triggered by unpleasant truths, just can't handle it.
     
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    I'm prepared to have people look at the evidence I provide an compare it to yours.

    Hospital staff working with covid patients and not catching covid is real world evidence.

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    Why would they wear a respirator if it wasn't doing them some good?
     
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    This may apply to you...

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    Why are these banned on airplanes?

    And also exterior air can be entrained in eddys causing backflow into the mask resulting in exposure to aerosol born virus.
     
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    Because they are forced to wear them.

    Why would medical care professionals who risked their lives caring for covid patients refuse vaccination and ultimately be fired? What are they afraid of?
     
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    Relevance? The polio vaccine isn't 100% effective, either.
    N95 respirators are better than surgical masks. P100 respirators are better still.
    Very true. The vacuum has been filled with misinformation.
     
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    Who is forcing them? Where is the evidence hospital workers object?

    This is what happens when you work backwards from a conclusion.
    Risked their lives while not objecting to wearing a respirator? :roll: :roll:

    They fear the potential side-effects of the vaccines.
     
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    Because the one-way valve lets out unfiltered air from the wearer.
    There is no "backflow" into the P100 respirator.
     
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    They are tested to about 85% effectiveness right out of the box.
     
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    Says who?
     
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    Says the people who conducted the tests. There were two such tests. Both came out in the mid 80's as a percentage of effectiveness. One of the testers was the California dept of health. I forgot the other one but it was in the private sector. Nobody requires you to believe it, of course. I wouldn't put much faith in something from the government of California but it is backed up by the more credible private sector group. I found them with my browser. You can do the same.
     
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    And therefore it does not prevent the spread of Covid virus carried by the aerosol sized particles from breathing.

    If the valve is open there is backflow and diffusion.
     
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    That’s probably due to leaking around the edges. Even with gluing however they are not 100% effective at stopping aerosols. There are also different grades of N and P masks.
     
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    When is the last time polio broke out in the USA? In the answer to the polio and smallpox question lies the relevance.

    A leather jacket is better than a flannel shirt is better than a tee shirt but none provide absolute protection from a shotgun blast with wide choke at 50 meters.
     
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    “But N95s are expensive, and even trained medical staff dislike wearing them for more than a few hours. As two doctors wrote in a commentary in August, “when worn properly, N95 masks are suffocating, uncomfortable, and difficult to tolerate for long durations.”

    (https:// jamanetwork.com/ journals/ jamainternalmedicine/ fullarticle/ 2769441)”

    — Unreported Truths About Covid-19 and Lockdowns: Part 3: Masks by Alex Berenson
    https://a.co/8moFlwT
     
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    Okay. I've seen tests done by reputable labs and posted some of them here. I don't claim to have seen every important test. There is real world evidence N100 and P100 respirators of the type I mentioned here have prevented hospital workers from being infected.
    I don't believe it or disbelieve anything I see. If it's research, I want to see how it was done and assess those results.
    There is good evidence they prevent infections of healthcare workers. Could they prevent infections of the general public? Who? Under what circumstances?

    Would enough people wear them voluntarily?
     
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    No, they haven't. Random internet hacks just made up that crazy story.

    Remember, you can't gaslight normal people. We require actual evidence, and not just weird conspiracy theories.

    Graphene is very, very black. Even the tiniest trace of it turns a solution black. Since the vaccines are, you know, clear, we know they don't have graphene.

    Got it. You don't have any evidence that the glycol is harmful, so you're waving your hands around and making assumptions. Next time, just say that directly.

    I see. After not backing down from pushing weird conspiracy theories, you want to go out proving that you fail hard at statistics and logic. So noted. I hope you're alive in a year, but antivaxxism tends to be a self-correcting position.
     

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