It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

Sorry you don't understand how things work. Perhaps you can speak with an accountant. He or she may be able to clear it up for you. I'm not aware of sales managers being involved in determining costs. No need for you to be rude. No need to add partisan comments to a discussion about how businesses are run.

 

It's a possibility. But think it is more likely that a decrease in liability can help a company doing international business appreciably.

Sure but the majority of the time a tax increase causes prices to rise. When all companies face the tax increase they all have to deal with if financially in one way or another. That takes a lot of elasticity out of the equation.

You don't want to go there with me. Government isn't a business. It doesn't sell services. Businesses would be far better off without government "services," most of which are designed to help everyone other than the businesses.

I don't want to starve the beast, I want to replace the beast with a smaller, more manageable and less corrupt one.

As I said above, government is not a business.

 

Give me a break. I have been involved in every aspect of running a P/L for decades. One day people who believe taxes on net income are actually incorporated into the price of goods are going to run into a real accountant that will tell them they are full of....it. Business income taxes are levied after COGs, COGS do not include potential and phantom taxes on profits because if they knew what profit they were going to make beforehand, they would be frigging geniuses. No one knows how a year will end up. My lord, I am dealing with people who really have never run a business or been responsible for it. Give me a break. I just retired being responsible for over 150 million bucks...

 

ECON 101. Sorry you weren’t in the loop.

Why do you think so many companies based production facilities in Ireland after the Irish government slashed their corporate tax rate? Why do you think that Intel moved all their manufacturing out of California ~ 20 years ago? Why do you think that Applied Materials moved all their manufacturing to Texas ~ 30 years ago?

Do you know what a marketing plan is? Do you understand what considerations are involved in making a decision about bringing a product to market?

 

You can stop now. You are getting nowhere with me.

 

Business taxes aren't the major factor pricing us out of some markets.

No, elasticity is still important, as is the tax per unit sold.

Actually, government does sell services. Ever been to a National Park?

The point is that government provides services--police, fire, courts, roads, military, public health, public schools...

Better off without police, fire, the military, roads...?

Your plan is what? Replace Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security with...?

Your comment is largely irrelevant.

 

I remember when the Navy sent the hospital ship to NYC, and it took aboard only a very few patients. I think the same scenario played out in San Diego. Plandemic by Pentagon.

 

Yes. The Javitz Center and the outdoor hospital in Central Park were also very little used.

 

My neighbor was ruined by the shutdown. It cost him his business, his life's dream, his life savings, and his life. I know eight people dead due to the shutdown.

And if you believe numbers from China, I have a BEAUTIFUL beachfront house really cheap, about an hour north of Kansas City.

 

True, payroll costs are. But taxes are a factor where government is involved.

Sorry I was referring to federal government. Providing services and selling services are not the same thing. I accept your example of a national park fee. I doubt those fees pay the cost of operating the parks. In fact federal government shouldn't be operating national parks. Those areas should belong to the states.

Those services aren't sold to the users.

Things like that belong in the states, not federal government. So the replacement would be up to the individual states.

It is when you consider how how government is organized currently. My recommendation would change government from top to bottom.

 

Yes, and...? We may want to recover more from foreign purchasers and are content with smaller sales.

Why the states? They're not necessarily more efficient, nor is a state always interested in establishing and running a park other states want and are willing to support with tax dollars.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents the feds from doing things you keep assigning to the states.

As long as we're not blindly applying nostrums like "things like that belong in the states" without a clear rationale.

 

No doubt if "we" is the government.

Two reasons. The first is the idea that government closer to the public is better government. The second is that the states have competition from other states. Competition motivates innovation and better performance. If a person doesn't like the state government they can go to another state. Many Californians and New Yorkers have been doing that recently.

There is that pesky 10th amendment.

The rationale is clear to me just not clear to you.

 

Prove you've thought this through by identifying situations where competition between states puts some states at a disadvantage and causes problems for people in those states. Can you do it?

Could you explain why some states remain under-performers? Why are states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, West Virginia, South Carolina perennial losers?

So, if New York and California initiate good programs, loser states (the aforementioned, for instance) send their retirees packing? They drive their skilled nursing patients out-of-state? California and New York are supposed to pick up the tab when they can't keep people from red states out?

It's not clear to a lot of people.

 

Sure, lots of people have left California, New York and New Jersey for greener pastures because of the high taxes. So most of the other states cause problems with these two for that reason. There is a chance these states could react by reducing taxes which would benefit their citizens. Competition is basically a good thing.

I said nothing of the sort. I don't consider any state to be a loser governmentally other than California. And that is because they create laws that affect other states.

Yes. People should be able to move to any state. The "good programs" are exactly what I would want to reduce with my concept. More freedom, less government.

A lot of people haven't seen the whole idea and neither have you. The federal government status quo appeals to you but is a disaster in my view. Perhaps I'll write a small book about it and put it on the internet.

 

They're leaving because of the high cost-of-living more than they are because of high taxes.

Why are Medicaid patients in poor states doing worse than in richer states?

https://www.medicaid.gov/state-overviews/scorecard/state-health-system-performance/index.html

You're not doing well at explaining away why your let-the-states-compete philosophy leaves people in poor states like Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama at a disadvantage, even after the poor states rake in the federal dollars?

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

You want to have the worst public schools in the country, the worst senior care...? Are you prepared to put an end to states like California getting back $0.65 back for every dollar it pays in federal taxes while states like West Virginia get $3.05, Mississippi rakes in $2.60 and Alabama gets grabs $1.80?

Given the knowledge base you've evidenced so far, it will indeed be a very small book.

 

high taxes are an important part of the cost of living. Stop and think for a minute. One can buy a toaster in New York for the same price as a Mississippian's price. Certainly they can on the internet. I think the major expenses that are very high are housing and transportation and, mostly, taxes. I think the taxes are at the root of the cost of living issue.

I didnt know they were. But there should be no federal medicaid. It belongs in the states if the states want it.

It should be illegal for federal government to send money to any taxing authority in the U.S. unless it is buying something from them. That corrupt method of bribing state and local governments to adhere to the federal line needs to be abolished.

See above. I demand that there be no federal funding of state and local governments.

Speculation with a lack of full information. I tend to be a man of few words so I can probably contain it to less than 100 pages. You are married to the status quo and I seek something else. None of your comments show an open door for ideas so I'll just leave you to the status quo.

 

Home prices are the driver. Get a clue.

A lot of red states that rely on the feds would be screwed.

Your understanding of these issues wouldn't fill more than a few pages.

 

It's all well and good for all the players of this charade to admit fault now, even though the goal has been reached and achieved. Countless people are under the spell of madness, via false narratives and fearmongering campaigns all in the name of good pseudoscience at the expense of the world's population.

 

Are you arguing with yourself? Strange.

 

Businesses park their profits in Ireland, not their manufacturing.

Businesses move to low-cost states--low taxes, low wages, etc. Take furniture manufacturing. Years ago, many companies moved from New England to places like North Carolina. Then, predictably, they moved from North Carolina to Asia.

 

No, I'm pointing out the facts of life to yet another extreme rightwinger.

 

As opposed to arguing with an extreme left winger, who is one?

 

Intel.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/ireland-milestone-fab-34.html#gs.pa0qs9

 

I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders, an extreme leftwinger.

 

The language in red says it all about what this site is becoming. We now “the thought police” just like it was on Twitter and continues to be on Face Book. The left wing censors are now taking control. They move or delete you posts, and you have no recourse. They are faceless censors who cannot be questioned.

For the record the truth about Covid continues to suppressed. The truth about gain of function research and the Chinese lab continues to be a taboo subject for progressives.