Jesus PBUH called God "Allah"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

 

I showed, through historical references the origins of your islam and how it involves nothing but pagan rock worship, still evidenced today in kissing the stone of the kabbah. So, its not just 'opinion'. All you tell me is what you believe concerning the koran. Which is fine if thats what you want to believe. But don't try and merge Christ and Christianity or the Bible into it. muhammed has perverted that enough already. Your allah is no god. If you want to be Christian, then turn to Jesus Christ.

Yes, I am sealed completely in Christ. Spirit and heart, and future glorified body.

Quantrill

 

Submission (="'peace'") is a way of politics on earth and not a way of spirituality showing ways to heaven. People who like to become mighty will tell you everything what you like to hear. As far as I can see the fight of Muslims is a completly empty darwinistic fight. To win seems to be enough - no one likes to ask what it is what we should fight for.

http://youtu.be/QdwvW_rG6Mg

 

I just don't understand how it is so difficult for you guys to believe that Jesus was actually put to death.. You have to completely disregard his 3 time prediction of his own death and to many other things in the Gospel, and based of what ? Because Some guy named Muhammad had some scribe redo the Bible the way he wanted it to say ?

So 'our' Messiah, including your 'messiah' was a prankster ??? Or God was a prankster ?... and yet he is going to fight the ultimate evil in the end ?

No Christian will ever accept this honestly. I mean no offense to you either.. I mean, you're kind of nice and I know you don't worship rocks or whatever that BS is all about, and well, I'm glad that we have Jesus in common though I suppose our beliefs vary on that..

 

as a muslim;
i am telling you that the black stone is an abrahamic heritage.
nothing more.
no muslim expects any good or bad from it.
we don't see him as an associate to Allah (God),
who is the creator of the heavens and the earth.

black stone is just a rock, a material, powerless, not a deity.

how do you compare a piece of stone to Allah (God), so high and merciful???
Allah who is unlimited in might; omnipotent; all-powerful; irresistible.

a rock?

let me put it this way;
if anyone does expect good from it, or prays to it
then it becomes idolatry.

if you see anyone feeling/doing this way,
then yes he has indeed gone astray.
may Allah guide him...

look, we have been accused by many to be
worshippers of a certain moon god,
worshipers of a box in the middle of an arabian desert,
worshipers of the black stone...

i'm sure there are more. that's what i can remember.

i advise -at least- you take a look at the things you put
your belief on "so certainly".
and no... tv and anti-islamic websites don't count.
i mean good-old unbiased raw information.

start here or read a book called the qur'an.

i don't have a problem with your beliefs.
we all have free will.

when i said "i hope your heart is not sealed" i meant this:

30:58-59-60
And We have certainly presented to the people in this Qur'an from
every [kind of] example. But, [O Muhammad], if you should bring them
a sign, the disbelievers will surely say, "You [believers] are but falsifiers."

Thus does Allah seal the hearts of those who do not know.

So be patient. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And let them not
disquiet you who are not certain [in faith].​

Allahu a'lem; i really hope good things for you.

but as you put it, that's where we separate our ways.
for a muslim can not associate partners with Allah (God) almighty.

109:6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.​

for most of the cases you are right.
but bad examples shouldn't make one desperate,
or it shouldn't make the truth blend with the falsehood.
au contraire, it should make you see the truth more easily.
like seeing a large white spot on a black canvas.

no, nobody is a prankster.
jesus (pbuh) was one of the leaders of humanity.
he was one of the best among mankind that has ever lived on this earth.
he was kind, wise, generous and loving.

but this is where we stop.
one step further and you are in blasphemy.
because you just deified a man, a mighty prophet of Allah.

summary is: we love him, but we do not worship him.
nauzubillah.

we believe you are the people of the book.
so we respect you.
but the message has been altered.

thus we cannot associate partners with Allah (God) almighty.
this is indeed the only unforgivable sin in islam.

check the history of idolatry.
you will be astonished how similiar stories will get.

start here and maybe here.

 

How ridiculous and unrealistic is the man who is astonished at anything that happens in life. Marc Aurel

Jesus Christ - son of god - became crucified - and if I'm right then Mohamed was only a criminal murderer. I can live with such a paradox - but I'm not able to take Mohamed serios.

http://youtu.be/Hvy_-o6DVzE

 

life that Allah (God) created is astonishing.
very astonishing and wonderful.
powerful and awesome.

but a muslim does not run after this life.

this life will go away.
then the next life will begin. right?
that's, where falsehood and truth will be separated for everyone.

in other words, and i quoted this before:
"people are asleep and wake up when they die."
~muhammed -saw- (source: muhyiddin ibn al-'arabi, fusus al-hikam, p. 220)

lastly;
you look to something with hatred,
then hatred you will get.

be well...

 

OK, so tell me if this here is correct then

Who did the part in Bold ? Why would the Jews OR the Romans want to lie about this ?

 

we don't have many details about the story.
we are just told that Allah (God) did not let jesus (pbuh)
to the deviated crowd to crucify and torture him...

here is some more information:

Discussing the interpretation of those scholars
who deny the crucifixion, the Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:

The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic
of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job,
Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history
of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is "God's practice"
(sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of
evil and adversity. "So truly with hardship comes ease",
(XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant
the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that
they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who
believe"; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of
Christ (III, 54).

In regard to the interpretation of the minority of Muslims
who accept the crucifixion, Mahmoud Ayoub states:

The Qur'an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and
wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who
was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing
of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy
the divine Word, which is for ever victorious.​

this is one of the turning points of humanity for sure.

 

What about this ? (same link you gave me)

True or false ?

 

Sorry, but you do worship the black stone. I have a copy of " The Quran translated by M.H. Shakir, Published by Tahrike Tarsile Quran, Inc. publishers and distributor of the Holy Quran"

And there on the front cover is a full page picture of thousands of muslims surrounding the kabbah in Mecca, and bowing down before it and facing it. That is worship. Worship of the black stone. Which is fine because that is what allah is, the god of stones.

Indeed, I have no problem with you having your religion. My problem is you perverting the Bible, which is the Word of God. And you trying to incoporatae Christianity into islam by saying Jesus called God allah. That is a lie. So, if your sincere about you having your religion and me having mine, then quit these efforts of trying to align yourself with Christianity and the Bible. There is no similarities between your god and my God; between your koran and my Bible. None whatsoever. Your abraham is not the Abraham of the Bible. Your jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. Your allah is not the God of the Bible.

Quantrill

 

yeah as i pointed out in my previous post that is the
substitution interpretation.

thus it is an interpretation.

 

109:6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.​

be well.

 

OK, so I am assuming that you don't go with the substitute interpretation ?

The reason I ask is because the substitute interpretation does kind of make God sound like a prankster.

 

i understand your point, it makes sense from your angle.
i'll try to elaborate...

that's a known question by non-muslims.
is Allah (God) a deciever? (nauzubillah).

you used the word "prankster", a softer word
than "deceiver", yet includes the same meaning
more or less.

the answer is:
as i said, it's one of the interpretations of the ayah.
but to be fair i would take your question and answer
assuming that the interpretation is actually what has gone down:

Allah (God) will of course put their efforts in vain and show
how their messed up desires to crucify jesus (pbuh) is futile.

to cause disillusions on an ennemy of Allah (God), is in fact
the mercy of Allah (God), or maybe a curse.

only time will tell.
and only Allah knows.

 

If someone hates life here how could he love life there? God made since ever clear that no one has the allowness to be a murderer. Everyone is in danger to lose more than only everything who tries to justify murder or any other form of death and destruction -including a senseless killing of animals - only because the results are in his own ergocentric political interests.

If someone dies then he is dead - forever. Only in case our belief is true - what no one knows really - god will create another world in the end of times where we are able to live again - if it is his will to do so.

Muslims are reporting full of proud since a very long time the terrrible deeds of Mohamed. If someone takes a serios look at this reported deeds full of brutality and cruelity - then I'm not able to share the illusion that Muhamed could had been a messenger of god. Muhamed was in my eyes a criminal liar - that's what I think and that's what I say. And if someone thinks he has the right to murder people because they will awake in another world again then this people don't have only a little idea about god and the unbelievable worthful thing called "life". Such a perverted logic is sick - very sick - and completly in the opposit of everything what we are able to call a serios feeling of responsiblity in the eyes of the Lord.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-u3oNk49W0"]Opus - Live is life 2008 (1985) - YouTube[/ame]

 

in your first sentence;
if you are referring to "not running after this life",
i didin't say "hate this life"...
hate is a totally different motivation.

life that Allah (God) created is astonishing.
very astonishing and wonderful.
powerful and awesome.​

to clarify a bit:
we muslims don't run after worldly life and our own desires.
money, women, status, carrier, fame, so on...

it doesn't mean that we refuse all of that.
just within the parameters and boundaries that
Allah (God) has set for our own good (personal and social).

Allah (God) gives you whatever you run after.
but then we face the consequences.

thus, we run after the life that lasts eternally,
not this life that ends.

i agree with the rest of your post.
qur'an states the same thing.

indeed.
we all shall see.

who thought you about islam?


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mais tu ne regardes pas avec ton cœur,
parce que le cœur, il est objectif.

but you don't look with your heart,
because the heart is objective.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZjFIRirpE&feature=related"]Enya - Only Time (World Trade Center Tribute) - YouTube[/ame]

 

you obviously haven't read anything i wrote.
one can break walls, but not prejudices.

be well.

 

A bit of tortured logic. The word itself doesn't matter. What matters is the content of the message. The messages are different. You can't use the similarity between two semetic languages to prove the identity of the diety in question.

Or do you think that Christians in Germany who worship "Gott" and Christians in Spain who Worship "Dios" are worshipping two different gods?

 

If Muslims would murder 500 Muslims in Mekka then I'm sure this would cause hot discussions in the world of the Muslims. If Christians would murder 500 Muslims in Mekka then I'm able to imagine what Muslims would discuss about. But what about if Muslims are murdering 500 Christians in Mekka? Interesting discussion again I would say. And if Muslims are murdering 500 Christians in holy times on holy ground in Nigeria? Discussions? I'm sure the solution of all this discussions will be: "Muslims should erase all Christians from this planet." This would solve in the view of Muslims all the problemes what would not exist if Muslims would not exist. Prejudice? Sure! And what I heard from you here was nothing what was able to change anything in my prejudices only a little. Best greetings by the way from the idea of olympic peace what was broken from Muslims in 1972 in Munich. Did anyone discuss about in the world of the Muslims?

http://youtu.be/K28JO2n_Gv0

 

jews in israel are massacring muslims as we speak.
they kill children, women... no remorse.

nothing and no one can explain me the reason why
someone would kill a defenseless child. no one.

but i don't hate judaism.
i don't hate every single jew.

have you heard of crusaders?
have you heard about the native american massacres?
have you hear about iraq petroleum war? and how many
widows there are in iraq?
have you heard about africa? and how they exploited it?
have you heard about hitler?
have you heard about all other massacres that the western
sovereign states took part in?

do you read history?
do you know anything other than what tv shows you?
do you watch anything else than 9/11 videos with a
sentimental enya soundtrack?

when were you born? yesterday?

i despise the ones who did this to you and to people like you.
i despise the ones who gave their consent to that and massively
manipulated people like you.

they are the enemy of humanity.
for making you forget your humanity.

if you don't know that a human is a human first and above all;
not "he is black", not "she is a woman", not "he is a muslim",
not "he has long hair", not "he might be from pakistan";
then you don't know anything.

thus; i have nothing to talk.
you must learn to be human.
that's your responsibility whatever your religion is.

i will watch your answer... one more time.
unless you show some improvement,
this conversation is over.

may Allah (God) guide you and your family.

be well.

 

Should I? To celebrate Christmas became a little dangerous only 10 years later, isn't it? How do you call this? • ¿"will of god"? • ¿"submission"? • ¿"peace"? •

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri7VeqNT-Aw"]Maria Durch Ein Dornwald Ging (MikuskovicsBaum) - YouTube[/ame]

 

You must be in out of space, Israel massacring Muslims!!!??? as we speak, Muslims are setting off bombs against Muslims and Christians, training children to be suicide bombers.

You just hate Israelites.

Crusades are the by product of Jihadist, without Jihadist no crusades.
Have you heard about jihadist?

Have you heard of the massacre of Hindus?
American Indians are now the most previlage people in the USA, under Muslims those Americans Indians will be totally eradicated just like the Christian and Jewish tribes were eradicated.

Have you heard how the USA save the Muslim-Kurds and how grateful the Muslim-Kurds are for stopping the Muslim-Iraqis from wiping them out.

Have you heard how al shabaab are terrorizing Africa.

Have you heard of Mufti al-Husseini leader of Muslims that allied with Hitler and carry out atrocities against Serbs he also supported Hitler policy of Jewish extermination.

Have you heard of the masscre and ethnic cleansing of Armenian by Muslims-Turks.

What history are you reading?

Yes, history. How about you?

How many times have you watch the Taliban-Bin Ladin videos?

Where were you born? from this planet?

I pray that you will see the light, the truth and the way through Jesus Christ.

they are the enemy of humanity.
for making you forget your humanity.

if you don't know that a human is a human first and above all;
not "he is black", not "she is a woman", not "he is a muslim",
not "he has long hair", not "he might be from pakistan";
then you don't know anything.
John 8:12 12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

 

reds above