Jesus Today!

Why do those (liberal) who act like Jesus reject him, and why do those (conservative) who act selfish accept him?


If Jesus were around today, he'd be against capitalism, he'd be a vegan, and he'd be a socialist, and he'd be for the environment. He'd be what most people consider today, a liberal.

After all, that's how he was back then...

Think about this rationally, truthfully, and logically.

Jesus was an activist. He was against the status quo, and the oppression.

Jesus promoted to love everything, and let us not forget he accepted all walks of life in his social circle, such as Mary Magdalene.

It's ironic, to say the least.

 

Interesting thought and totally true

 

We have had this discussion over fine beer ($10.00 six packs of Dead Guy Ale) at the house by the fire... I follow you and will be standing by. I don't konw which side I will be for or against yet...

 

"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar; give to God what belongs to God."

If anything, Jesus would be Libertarian.

 

No he wouldn't... Lib's are against border crossing... Jesus wouldn't be in a party! There was Gov't then, and he wasn't part of them, why would he be now?

 

Libertarians are whatever the individual Libertarian says he is. I agree tht Jesus was not a part of a government, but he did have followers and He was their leader. He is the "King of Kings"--so...I suppose he is for a Monarchy of the universe.

 

For the sake of Unity, Jesus wouldn't chose a party. Hence, He'd want to unite everyone.

However, his personal moral values, principles, and his demeanor, all relate closely, or identically to liberalism.

 

Surely, you don't mean that literally.

The "Kings of Kings", is just a phrase coined by the Church.

Jesus was not for Monarchy, he was for Equality through Unity.


Furthermore, if Jesus were around today, he'd be against the concept of Christianity, and all the other religions. This whole church, pope, and priesthood stuff is nonsense, and does not relate to Jesus at all. In fact, it's what Jesus spoke against.

Jesus didn't believe in religions, because religions lead to separation of Earth. Jesus was for unity, likewise was Buddha, and many of the other prominent prophets from other religions. Eternal Universal Love, was the only religion any of these prophets preached, the rest of the stuff said about any of these prophets are just lies promoted by people with self-interest, and evil agendas.

 

perhaps because jesus aint that him?

not necessarily

not on your life

not as many define but maybe close

absolutely

yes and no..............definitely, not so liberal to let liars tell children being gay is normal

jesus was a contributer to mankinds knowledge; a great teacher

but he is not coming back, nor was he who many believe he was

agreed.

most human beings are, naturally

i would bet he was doing her, myself

I mean, if he existed, he was human..........i wasnt there, neither were you so we can only place the bets.

i agree.

many dont realize not only was jesus a pretty square guy for his time, (per the stories) but the idea that idiots use his name in vain, pray and beg to the guy, is pretty sickening.

 

For anyone who looks at Jesus' actual teachings, he is more an apocalyptic teacher saying throw everything away and preach the Gospel for the kingdom of God is at hand. Give everything you have to the poor and follow me. So considering capitalism is all about profit and building up treasure, then yeah I think you are spot on here. If you take out the supernatural and just look at Jesus' social teachings though, his social attitudes would seem much more in line with a socialistic system.

Vegan maybe? I don't know about that one. As to being a socialist, I don't know if Jesus would endorse government doing anything specifically, but I know he would tell people to stop acting like capitalists, which he did in the Gospels. As for protecting the environment, it's a bit tricky. Because Jesus thought God was ultimately in charge of everything (he never claimed to be God except in John, which is the oldest and most historically inaccurate Gospel written). Actually if you think Jesus is God, it becomes VERY bizarre that Jesus would pray in the garden that he did not want to be executed, but said it was up to God to ultimately determine his fate. And before he died on the cross the Gospels say Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." So if Jesus is God, he prayed to himself to save himself from the fate he caused himself, and he also prayed to himself to entice himself to forgive the people who were executing him, even though it was part of his plan. Anyway slight digression. I'm not sure it's clear Jesus would be gung ho to protect the environment either.

But he would be much more of a pacifist, with his admonitions to forgive 70 times 7 and pray for your enemies. I saw a great bumper sticker yesterday that said who would Jesus bomb? with the obvious answer being no one at all.

 

Jesus wasn't a hippie. Where does that idea come from? Because he had long hair and a beard?

 

I find it ironic that you would intermix the words "rationally, truthfully, and logically".

What that message tells me is that you advocate the use of a system of philosophy that will enable you to make excuses (rationalize) while asserting a form of logic that will not allow all evidence (past, present and future) to be considered because of the inherent prejudice thereby hiding the truth.

The Status Quo of today is liberalism. With society flying the banner which reads "if it feels good, then do it" (can't get much more liberal than that).

 

I kind of agree with the general sentiment of your OP.

But:

Not all liberals act like Jesus and even more importantly not all liberals reject Jesus. While the Christian right has certainly managed to give religion a bad name (at least from my point of view), you may want to note that there's also a Christian left: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left

 

You want to think about this logically? Very well.

Let's say Jesus was teleported from the cross in Rome in ~30AD to today's New York (for argument). He'd be looking like a lunatic, he'd be treated like a lunatic. Freaking out from seeing a car or a plane, he'd look like a hobo.

On the other hand, if Jesus was born ~1978, being ~33 today but having grown up in our world, he'd probably be a lot like today's other 33 yr olds.

If we want to talk about things logically, we need to know what we mean when we say things. What do you mean by "If Jesus were around today"?

 

You've taken this literally.

When I proposed the thought of "Jesus Today", I entailed the notion of how he would act, and think with regards to the relevance of modern society, today.

And, I think he would still have the same general direction which I mentioned in my OP.

This was not intended to be tehnical, of "he'd freak out over airplanes, and he'd be wearing sandles, and a robe".

You get the gist of my topic, which is about Jesus reactions toward social, spiritual issues.

 

If we were to classify Jesus we would have to say he is Totalitarian...

 

Sounds to me like the S man was thinking it thru

i bet he would be a lot like me.

just a pisser to BS and capable of backing it up to the letter (name of the boss)

maybe i should reread that before i add

agreed

but hang on, i am in sandles, a t-shirt and was in a robe.............. but i aint jesus.

anyone can. Many idiots have no idea how screwed up this world is and the majority are in this religious lala land about what the 'spirit' is.

for example; that post you made is by your energy, your life, and is (can) of affect to others. That is your spirit, your energy, upon existence!

what you do, is what your life will be forever.

ie... you are light upon mass capable of making (causing) actions upon this existence by choice.

Think of yourself as a life capable of splashing this pond of the universe. If your waves combine with other waves and 'support life to continue' your spirit (life) exists within them contributions. if your life causes a 'loss to the common' like a lie, a murder, etc...... you will fade (be extinct) over time.

A method of proving this aspect; every element must have energy (em) upon that mass to combine and make even a single molecule (fact). So move forward and realize, that when your parents gave their seed (sperm/egg) to combine and make you (the new shade of their light), you are in fact, them in the flesh.

Two facts:

1) ......what you do is either of honor or dishonor to your parents and theirs...

2).... to comprehend that you are literally of the light from your whole lineage, since the beginning of time, then they are 'raised to the flesh' (alive in you as you stand)


SO i wonder if jesus (if here today) could represent all that?

 

but one nasty judge to idiots that lie


to you, truth is spotted............. to me it is NOT

I personally have no pity for people like you.

The sword of truth will destroy the ignorant.

 

i already covered every line in the OP

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/214275-jesus-today.html#post4638287

 

Oh for Pete's sake!
Will you people let the dead rest already?

 

Point still stands. He'd have ideas that we wouldn't even consider, and we'd have ideas he'd never heard of. He'd have the political credibility of a gay, Nazi Jew in late 1930's Germany.

I presume your question is not about what he would do if he was here, but how to apply the ideas he had to today's world (even though it'd be much easier if you just said so, or just used the search function).

Frankly, even in that case, my point would be similar. Jesus would never have heard of, let alone be able to be informed and consider most of the ideas we have today. Socialism and liberalism, 2/3 of the political climate goes out the window. Environment, racial, social and gender issues, he's never heard of (at least not in today's versions).

If nothing else, he would either make uninformed decisions or have to be brought up to speed, and I don't think there is anyone who could do that without influencing him.

 

I post Jesus is a Totalitarian... and you post the below.....

You know- I just like reading your posts... I mean we could just make a thread of crazy (*)(*)(*)(*) you post and make fun of you for HOURS of laughter. Sit and try to decipher that which is Bishadi!!!

Do you think anyone understands that crap above outside of you? If you infact DO understand that, and are not Bishadi... You need to see a Doctor IMMEDIATELY!!!

 

Most liberals are not atheists.

 

This thread has gotten out of control.

People, this was just a thread about "Jesus Today". No need to start any hostility towards others.

I bring up Jesus, because many people today, still consider him as their foundation towards morality, and ethics. Hence, I was trying to find some common ground between most of the folk here.


Personally, I believe in myself, and my own set of principles I have laid out for myself.

I don't like believing in faith - too much uncertainty.

At least with myself, I know myself, and I feel certainty.

I believe we'd be in a much better situation today, if everyone self-actualized. However, in this busy hectic world, most people unfortunately do not take the time to just sit alone, or take a random walk, and just think.

Everything thinks for us now. The TV, the Radio, the Computers, the calculators, the video games, the Machines, etc...

It seems like we're all distracted most of the time, and we rarely think for ourselves anymore.

 

I am with you DBM aka FDS. I cannot imagine Jesus as a liberal or a socialist. I am going to hold out for now myself.

I am going to say that I believe Jesus and God are one. Another member here said they were separate. If Jesus came down in the form of a person and gave man a way out of sacificing lambs and became a sacrifice for all mankind, then how could He be 2 separate entities?

According to the Bible, God created mankind in His image. The main difference is that Jesus was without sin. Jesus was against the tax collectors in the temple. Churches are tax exempt(except for certain taxes, like "property")right? I believe today he would be satisfied that the Federal and State governments are not interfering with non profit organizations like the "Church".

Jesus told the rich to give to the poor. He is against capitalism and is for marraige being one man with one woman. I don't believe he fits the definition of a liberal.

Like I said, I need to think deeper about this subject myself.