Joe Rogan Challenges Vaccine Researcher Peter Hotez to Debate RFK - Then Elon Steps Into the Mix

There is solid evidence that the mRNA vaccines also protect for a short period against symptomatic infection, declining after a few months in people who have had many boosters. I've presented it on the forum, so I won't again because this about JFK Jr. having some screwy ideas.

Joe Rogan? Who the hell cares? If he's your expert opinion on most anything, you're not doing well. Who he might interview is another matter.

I'm all for having experts discuss these matters without the gong show element of including celebs, pols (who can forget Al Gore on climate?), etc.

 

By 'solidarity' you mean my company (my boss, really, who is the owner) didn't see fit to micromanage my personal medical choices. As far as I know, I'm the only one in our (relatively small) company who didn't get vaccinated. I'm also the only one who never got (or at least tested positive for) covid, despite a fair amount of being tested for it. My company isn't full of 'conspiracy theorists' who bother to understand why its bad thing that the bulk of CDC funding comes from the corporations they're supposed to be helping to regulate, nor how regulators at the NIH are allowed profit sharing in the products they work with big pharma to develope or how any of that creates a massive conflict of interest that undermines the safety of our medicine. My coworkers are all perfectly happy to believe the govt has everything under control, pharmaceutical corporations would never hurt us for profit nor would our wonderful govts ever let them if they tried. They just aren't paranoid control freaks and they could all see that covid wasn't much of a threat to healthy people and there wasn't any reason to use threats to force people to comply with an experimental medical procedure that the news was clearly lying about how effective it was. My boss was somewhat annoyed by my refusal to go along to get along, but he either respects me enough (or needs me enough) to not push the issue.

When asked to, I social distanced, PPE'd and tested (sometimes at my own expense), and I made a point of getting proper nutrition for immune support, and I didn't go to work when sick (even though I tested negative for covid). I intend to do the same in the next plandemic as well. So long as vaccine manufacturers remain immune from liability for the damages their products cause and regulators are allowed obvious financial conflicts of interest with them, I will be hesitant to take any medicine that hasn't already been in common use for decades, and I will continue to urge others to do the same.

 

Yes, I spent hours and hours on PF explaining to people how Covid vaccines prevent not only symptomatic infection but asymptomatic infection as well. The problem is, as you say, there is no longer any longevity to that protection. Neutralizing antibodies wane and are circumvented by mutations. The protection from T cells produced after vaccination is not good for prevention of infection, but pretty good at preventing hospitalization and death.

You really think a guy like me who backs all his posts on science with peer reviewed studies depends on Rogan for “expert” opinions? LOL.

Rogan’s strength is his curiosity and drive to find truth by examining ALL evidence. That’s why he tries to get opposing experts on his show and tries to get them to debate. If he wasn’t interested in truth he wouldn’t give both sides a platform or encourage debate. Rogan is also an excellent interviewer whether he is interviewing Israel Adesanya, Sanjay Gupta, or RFK.

Yes, we need more debate, not less. That’s what Rogan is advocating for. If a person doesn’t want to hear world renowned experts go on for 2-3 hours about their specialties, Rogan’s show is not for you. If you do want to hear experts asked hard questions and provide long form complete answers for 2-3 hours you might be interested. I enjoy his show even though I vehemently disagree with a lot of his opinions and beliefs because his show is about LEARNING, not jamming orthodoxy down people’s throats.

But clowns who criticize Rogan and never listen to his show are fools because they are being misled by their masters.

 

Again , another thread about How Good RFK is. well if RFK is so good , ask him to run for Your F$$$ party. We don't want him.

 

Can anyone tell me what are the credential of Joe Rogan, Elon and RFK to talk about vaccine ?

As far as I know they have None.

So why anyone will debate with them?

 

One would think a 'credentialled expert' would be interested in dispelling their 'disinformation'. Which would be easy to do if the 'credentialled expert' is right and they are wrong. IF...

 

What are this Hotez guys credentials?

Other than that he wears a bow tie.

 

Musk or Joe Rogan has no interest in correcting disinformation. They just want to humiliate those who disagree with them.

When it comes to vaccine Musk, Joe or RFK are fools.

Here is what scriptures says about arguing with fools

Proverbs 26:4-5 New Living Translation (NLT)

Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. Be sure to answer the foolish arguments of fools, or they will become wise in their own estimation.

 

Yet another example of why I prefer a literal translation of Scripture. The differences may be subtle, but sometimes the meaning is in the subtleness:

YLT:

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou be like to him -- even thou.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Sounds to me like its saying be careful in how you address foolishness, because in answering you risk becoming the fool, but in not answering, you risk allowing the foolishness to continue.

It seems 'credentialled experts' are more concerned with the former than the latter.

I mean, its either that, or they know they're the fools ...or we are for trusting based solely on 'credentials'.

 

There is some that declines after a few months. If one gets a booster twice a year, there will be some protection in a period between vaccinations--at least that's how it seems to map out now. The research I've seen pretty much agree the shots appear to protect younger people longer and that there may be little benefit to frequent or even any booster.

There is a lot of evidence on the hospitalization angle. Acute care hospitals in Canada are all government run so there's no HMO cooking the books for a buck. As well, unionized hospital staff don't fear management, so they won't be complicit in a coverup. The stats there on vaccinations and hospitalization are pretty reliable, and they bear out the longer term protection against severe illness.

I was thinking about anti-vax types around here who deny the vaccines work at the same time they exaggerate the risk.

 

He's a vaccine expert.

 

So what does that mean?

Does he study vaccines and viruses and mRNA gene therapy, or does he just proffess about mRNA gene therapy covid shot while erroneously calling the covid shot a "vaccine"?

Has he written any papers for peer review?

 

Not everyone is a credential whore.
Don't mistake credentials for sound judgement, ethics and expertise.

He's dodging the debate because he's a narrative repeating liar and he knows that RFK will pants him, just like he pantsed the doctors for Monsanto who claimed that Round Up wasn't harming the folks who were regularly applying it.

Hotez is running because he fears him.

 

You challenged nothing. You offered an off topic rabbit chase, which I declined. Hotez is running and hiding because he is a narrative chanting liar and RFK will wipe the floor with him in an open debate.

 

Did you miss the study I presented above showing the more boosters working age healthcare workers received the more likely they are to be infected? At some point, the protective effect on hospitalization and death is canceled out if repeated vaccination is making initial infection more likely to occur.

Just like with influenza vaccines, we must not be tempted to vaccinate everyone all the time. There is a point of diminishing returns.

I don’t think anyone is cooking the books at the research level. I’m open to evidence….

However, as we saw in my analysis above, journalists and others will certainly misrepresent the data and/or withhold data that conflicts with the popular (government) narrative.

Again I’ll reference the phenomenon of annual influenza vaccination decreasing the efficacy of subsequent influenza vaccinations. The research is very clear it is happening. And you can see the effect in the lack of decrease in death rates of older Americans who have been annually vaccinated. But that research and observational information is not distributed to those affected.

This is why we must always look at the research, not just what government agencies or reporters or pharmaceutical companies tell you on TV.

Anti vaxxers are created every time a critical thinker is lied to about a vaccine or a drug. If everything was honest and open and transparent you would see far less anti vaxxers. I warned of this months before the Covid vaccines were available. Unfortunately my warnings were not heeded and we have a whole new crop of anti vaxxers. The funny thing is in the context of the thread, neither Rogan or Kennedy are anti vax.

 

Well people who think having a Law degree ( RFK) and good doing computer code ( Musk) make them expert on vaccine to debate with people who spent their entire life working on vaccine are bigger fool.

 

Completely separate topic. I like KJV but KJV has way too many error ( nothing serious to alter the meaning of original text) then modern translation.

 

A lawyer will debate a virologist. Only fools wants to see that debate.

Bring another virologist who has been developing vaccine for 40+ years and challenge in debate.

 

Its less that they think they know more. Its more that they think certain experts are corrupt, shilling for harmful corporations.

 

I like KJV better than modern, but I like literal better than KJV. It should be noted that while I prefer a literal translation, I do not prefer a literal interpretation.

 

That’s fine. Then RFK or MUSK can find expert on the field who has been studying , and researching virus and developing vaccine for 30+ years and then have their expert debate with those who support Covid vaccine.

RFK has no credential or expertise to know apple from orange when it comes to complex topic like virology.

MUSk is the richest man in the world, if he really want people to know the truth he can hire 100 of scantiest , doctors , researcher in this field and make his point. But he or RFK has no knowledge of what they are talking about.

 

The problem is that Joe Rogan has had several credentialed experts, including a researcher responsible for making MRNA vaccine technology possible, on his program who disagree with the pharmaceutical industry and govt regulators on the safety and efficacy of current vaccines. They lose their licenses, funding and get cancelled from social media when they go on his show, and so they're not 'experts' anymore.

What this is is a catch-22 where 'expert' essentially just means 'anyone towing a narrative acceptable to mainstream medicine', and in the vaccine industry, that narrative is 'safe and effective.' Any expert that tries to explain why vaccines may not be safe and effective is then made 'not an expert anymore.' The result is that only 'non-experts' can talk about problems with vaccines.

And if they 'hired' experts, the concern would be those experts had a financial incentive to validate the position of their employer. And that would be a valid concern. But no one seems to care about such concerns when those experts are financially supported by the corporations who get rich off of making and selling vaccines...

 

Hotez is a liar, a coward and a leech. He knows that RFK will wipe the floor with him. You betray your authoritarian mindset, you claim that the narrative givers are above question. Monsanto's doctors tried to say the same about Roundup, but RFK showed them to be liars, and now they are paying.

Hotez is smart to tuck his tail between his legs and run away as fast as he can.

 

This is where we are today

Hotez created a vaccine which is cheap and easy to administer in 3rd world country. His entire team focused creating vaccine during pandemic so the poorest people in the world will not be left out when wealthy countries give their citizen expensive MRNA vaccine.

But Hotez benevolent act doesn’t fit your narrative so you call him liar, coward and a leech. And you think he deserve to be stocked by people who wants to harm him

Thank you for showing who you are. I didn’t expect anything better but thank you for showing your true color.

 

Bingo.

We live in an age where the President gets on the tube and blabs about vaccines, defense weapons systems, climate change, economics, computer technology, education... every topic under the sun. It sets the tone.

The news media takes it all seriously. Why? It's easy pickings for news.

Hear RFK Jr. on vaccines?