Joe Rogan Challenges Vaccine Researcher Peter Hotez to Debate RFK - Then Elon Steps Into the Mix

As I said, that study was more interesting and I quote the conclusion. How about you dealing with the study having limits because it focuses on the first vaccine that's no longer being given?

Stop playing on words. We're all quite aware you're not a medical researcher.

I'll repeat my concern the result could have been impacted by determining who ended up getting multiple vaccinations and who stayed with a single dose.

The conclusion of the report:

"The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working-aged adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19 while the BA.4/5 lineages were the dominant circulating strains, afforded less protection when the BQ lineages were dominant, and effectiveness was not demonstrated when the XBB lineages were dominant."​

Like the first vaccine, it's less effective against later variants. Does it lose effectiveness if given multiple times even if the formulation changes? Or does the new formulation restore effectiveness? Does it vary by age?

Because these vaccines are available to people, they need information about the safety and effectiveness for them. No one is taking the original vaccine, so I'm more interested in what we know about the vaccines they sre taking.

 

It’s the SAME STUDY presented in the first post of mine you responded to in this thread! It is a study of the bivalent vaccine BEING USED NOW. It’s in the title of the study!

You keep editing out the relevant part of the results of the study. Here again is the full results unedited by you. Again, I have bolded the results relevant to our discussion. You edit them out.

Here is my link to the study from post #99.

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292?login=false

Here is your link to the study.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37274183/

It’s the SAME STUDY. How can it be more interesting when you post it? Because you edit out the relevant result I’m talking about?

I’m not playing with words. I’m posting peer reviewed research in full. Not editing out the portions I wish weren’t there. You are editing out the relevant part of the results of the study.

That makes no sense. We know who had how many. That’s why studies of healthcare workers are so valuable. There are meticulous records of vaccinations and of infections.

And the relevant portion of the results section you keep ignoring.

All good questions but irrelevant to the point we now have evidence that more shots isn’t necessarily better because more shots increases the likelihood of infection in numerous studies of various populations.

Remember I predicted and warned this phenomenon may happen with Covid vaccines in November of 2021 before any of these studies existed.

The study we have both posted is a study of the bivalent that is in use TODAY. It’s in the title of the study. Oh, I forgot, you didn’t read it…


Yes, people need information. Real, complete information. Not information that has relevant parts someone doesn’t like edited out like you have done repeatedly. And like the journalist I criticized in my initial post in this thread did. You are both providing disinformation because you both are posting incomplete information based on your biases knowing it is incomplete.

 

Have a nice day.

 

I hope you do as well.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm just not interested in engaging in this tiresome and boring fantasy anti-vaxers have. Three years is long enough to understand that the people who think interacting with the public should be allowed to do so without being vaxed is nuts.

 

And yet, here you are!

Joe Rogan Savagely Bullies Scientist By Inviting Him On Podcast To Explain His Position https://buff.ly/46bYlOd

 

You know what is suicidally insane?

Approving an experimental medicine for "Emergency Use Athorization" to use on a disease that is 99.5% not fatal, then coercing the entire population to experiment with that medicine right down to two year olds.

It was like watching a modern day Salem Hysteria of 1692.

 

That is a common position from being emotionally vested in the shots. I know many that way. Sorry to offend you, but what I described to you is not fantasy, it is factual.

 

You want to lock the unjabbed into their homes.

 

I don't think anyone needs to talk them into doing that, they are for the most part doing it to themselves.

 

Vaccine Debate Flap: Americans Hungry for Civil Discourse

'Lost in Joe Rogan’s challenge to Baylor College of Medicine professor Dr. Peter Hotez to debate the COVID-19 vaccine debacle with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a striking truth about America today: We’re desperate for discourse. The left no longer even tries to defend its positions; it now relies on shutting down debate, silencing those who disagree with it, and using the bully pulpit in all its heavy-handed forms.'

'That’s why pledges poured into Rogan’s podcast, raising the donation that would be made to Hotez’s favorite charity to $1.5 million.'

'But the left’s calls to censor Joe Rogan (and Democratic presidential candidate RFK Jr. for that matter) are deeply anti-science, even if made in the name of “scientific consensus.” We’ll side with Galileo on the issue of scientific consensus: “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”'

'Yet the left’s demand to silence dissent is being misleadingly dressed up in a white lab coat.'

'What we’re seeing instead is a real and demonstrable hunger for substantive debate and in-depth discussion. Just look at the popularity of Rogan’s podcast (the top-ranked podcast in the world), which is essentially a long-form rag-chew, two or three hours of people simply talking about the issues. Visually, it’s usually just a couple of guys sitting in a studio. Clearly, people aren’t tuning in for the spectacle; they’re there for the ideas. The same thing goes for popular podcasts such as “The Rest is History,” and even Tucker Carlson’s new frills-free, visually boring Twitter show.'

'The hunger for ideas and discussion, even debate, is evident. We could very well be at the cusp of a renaissance in the engagement of ideas, a rebirth of civil discourse. Perhaps that’s why so many on the left are now openly calling for political censorship and even the jailing of dissidents. They know they’re not ready for their ideas to be tested in the public square.'

 

You said Nothing about 'being talked into it." You said "Three years is long enough to understand that the people who think interacting with the public should be allowed to do so without being vaxed is nuts."

 

Yes. And?

Is anyone monitoring their house arrest?

 

You disagree with allowing the unjabbed out of their home.

 

And once again I ask, is anyone monitoring their house arrest? Yes or No?

 

Are you laboring under the asinine delusion that your illiberal desire is law? Yes or No?

 

You're the one who is fawning the anti-vaxers plight. So what horrible fate (other than death by Covid) are they subjected to?

 

I was merely pointing out that you want the unjabbed locked away. I'm not anti-vax, but I am pro civil rights, so of course I'm against forced jabbing with the highly questionable COVID gene therapy shot.

 

Less obesity actually and possibly age, since the obese and elderly were the ONLY ones who truly needed to be worried about dying…and the few with extreme immunity issues. Not checking how old we are compared to Germany, but our obesity has to be much worse and that’s who got hit the hardest.

That’s the reality. But we were sold a lot of LIES and scare tactics. BTW I’m vaxed and boosted.

 

Yup, not a vaccine. In fact the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine because the mRNA gene therapy did not induce immunity by introducing an antigen, and instead tricks the patients body into producing an antigen. Not the same thing at all.

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/13/10514

^Thats a link to this study published in Nature.

"According to a paper published in Nature on June 22, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, by mode and action, are gene therapy products and should adhere to different regulatory standards. Yet U.S. and European regulatory agencies have not classified COVID-19 mRNA vaccines as gene therapy products, which has allowed them to be regulated as vaccines against infectious diseases instead of being subjected to the more stringent regulation of GTPs."- https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...a-covid-19-vaccines-are-gene-therapy-products