Joe Rogan Challenges Vaccine Researcher Peter Hotez to Debate RFK - Then Elon Steps Into the Mix

You've made some absurd claims, but you topped 'em all with this one.

You tell 'em.

 

Fake News. We don't have a COVID vaccine. We have shot with potentially dangerous side effects that was sold to the world as vaccine and mandated to a lot of us, that neither prevents the disease nor stops transmission. And your rebuttal is that "but it's cheap!"?

He's a hoaxer, a grifter and a coward. He's very wise to run for RFK, who would quickly expose him and wipe the floor with him.

RFK doesn't obediently chant the narrative and that's why the Authoritarians fear him.

 

It sound like you admire RFK. So many on the right admire RFK. RFK should change party and run as republican. You will be able to vote for this smart man.

 

wow. 13 billion doses given without a problem..the shot assisted in stopping a worldwide pandemic ..

despite the above fact many still are unable to cope with the truth ..

modern medicine had a factor in stopping the virus

modem medicine is a wonderful thing that has extended millions and millions of lives

Go ahead and deny modern medicine is effective and can be life saving. Then pray you are never a cancer patient or need a organ transplant

I do not understand why people that do not believe in modern medicine feel the need to bash those that do.

For what purpose is it take cheap shots and call Hotez names ?? He is a gifted scientist that spent his life in education

one last thing.

Just because RFK does not chant the narrative of modern medicine DOES NOT MAKE HIM CORRECT !!

 

Rogan should get another scientist on to debate the guy on it. Why does it have to be this guy? Rogan's platform has a lot of reach and Rogan himself, while maybe not the brightest, acts in good faith. It would be a great opportunity to debate.

I agree with the OP that we could use more high profile debates long form, no time limit, including leadership debates before elections.

 

He's proud Democrat and is running as a Democrat. He's a wonderful reminder of what the once great Democrat party was like when they loved America, love Americans and loved the Constitution. That's why he bugs you. He shows you have far the party has drifted into bitter anti-American hatred of all that is good and decent. I think that many many many Democrats still feel like he does about all those things. That's why they are so scared of him.

 

Modern medicine created the virus, and the 'vaccine' prevents neither infection nor transmission. Did you buy the load of crap about 'herd immunity'? Do you still buy it?

Now you are just mindlessly thrashing around. This has nothing to do with cancer or organ transplants.

Straw dog.

He's a grifter, a liar, a charlatan and a coward.

Straw dog. The point of debate is make points, question assumptions and weigh evidence. Your coward won't do that because he knows that he is a liar and a crook and that RFK would expose that.

Do you also worship that evil little dwarf Fauci?

7 million dead in just 2 years. 150/day continue die of the disease they created.

 

If I hate vaccine like RFK that show I love America? No wonder conservative has completely wrong idea how to love your country. That’s why they think no one else “love their country’

I don’t need conservative to tell me how to love my country. “ loving your country” is not own my conservatism.

 

Doubling down on your attack on Hotez? Egads.

 

There is clear evidence the vaccine continues to be effective at preventing hospitalization and serious illness.

As a concept? Of course.

Debate RFK Jr. on TV? Why?

Keep digging.

 

Their first claim was testable, that it prevented infection 95% of the time, and that was completely falsified.

 

Is this the best you got??

Labeling my points as “straw man” points??


Last i checked modern medicine has a huge umbrella

yea, research it is trial and error ..but with all your straw man points you fail to reply to the below fact

13 billion doses have been given with little or no side effects

unless you want to count slowong the spread and effects of the virus and preventing hospitalizations as a side effect .

 

It's more than enough.

Only the straw dogs.

If these vaccines are so 'safe' then I'm sure the vaccine companies will not mind Congress removing their sweetheart immunity deal. There is no reason that vaccine manufacturers should not be as accountable for the safety of their products as every other manufacturer.

I'm not anti-vax.
I'm pro full disclosure, anti-sweetheart liability exclusions.
I'm pro free and open debate.

 

I saw something from somewhere along those lines, but someone has to tease out the people who got more vaccinations because they worked with covid patients.

I presented evidence to the contrary among the general population.

Maybe, and maybe for some people and not others.

They seem more intent in holding their audience.

Haven't paid much attention to that one.

https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/11/flu-shots-reduce-effectiveness/

I taught school for more than three decades and never got the flu. I only took a flu shot for a few years at the end of my career. Most teachers never got the flu even when kids in the school were dropping like flies.

That's why I wore this...



... instead of a surgical mask when masks were required. May as well wear something that works.

That's no excuse for not thinking critically. It's a given corporations will lie to us if the management thinks lying serves their financial interest.

 

Your "news" here is fake.

Maybe RFK Jr. is a stalking horse for this guy?

 

More Covid vaccinations has been shown to increase chance of infection in numerous studies, not just the one I cited. Here are a couple more.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35476018/

And:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2794886

I know we aren’t supposed to talk about it! But the information is out there for those who want the truth.

You haven’t posted any evidence to me. I would be happy to see your evidence.

Yes, I’ve always been clear I’m not opposed to vaccination for anyone who can gain more benefit than risk. But people can’t make that decision with only part of the data. Letting the CDC make health decisions for you can get you killed.

More importantly their advertisers. The pharmaceutical industry has historically been the source of over 50% of ad revenue on TV. Beginning in 2020 it’s now more like 75% of ad revenue comes from pharma.

I’m sure your immune system was stronger than most students. It’s unlikely you ate fruity pebbles for breakfast and played video games until 1:00 am.

The study I typically use to show the effects of annual vaccination on vaccine efficacy is a meta analysis of all studies from 2011 through 2020 on the subject. It is a lot more comprehensive than the article you cite. Kudos to the author of your cite for pointing out the catch 22. The CDC has made it virtually illegal to study this issue in the US. So they are recommending universal influenza vaccination even though they made it illegal to study whether or not that practice is correct based on science. Clever, huh?

Here is the meta analysis if you are interested.

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/8/3/ofab069/6129135?login=false

Absolutely. No point in dying because the CDC told us to wear crap masks and lied to us about the availability of good masks.

Most anti vaxxers are vaccine skeptics, not opposed to all vaccines. They become skeptical BECAUSE they are critical thinkers. They get labeled anti vaxxers by those who, without engaging in any critical thought, accept all advice from known, proven liars.

 

I get it now.

Only people skeptical of the covid vaccine can be considered critical thinkers by you ..

but

psst

maybe some critical thinkers agree the covid vaccines are safe and have positive results

 

This is a more interesting article, IMO:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37274183/

The conclusion:

"The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working-aged adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19 while the BA.4/5 lineages were the dominant circulating strains, afforded less protection when the BQ lineages were dominant, and effectiveness was not demonstrated when the XBB lineages were dominant."​

This data from the above source.



The monovalent vaccine was only marginally better than nothing, but we need to know more about the people who stuck with one dose and those who had 2 or more.

My foods teacher wife wouldn't have allowed it.

I don't know about most anti-vaxxers, but my family has a few with a screw or two loose. My niece's husband's father has diabetes and won't take insulin (same reason he won't get any vaccination), dang near died from covid, his wife won't take any vaccine, and they have no health insurance (but lots of money).

 

I'm not anti experimental mRNA gene therapy covid shot, I'm just in the control group.

 

Bobby Kennedy Is Winning

'Hotez is intent on engaging in political attacks posing as science. Hotez is a partisan buffoon.'

'Hotez will never debate Bobby Kennedy but it doesn’t matter — Kennedy has already won.'

'He’s more honest than Dr. Peter Hotez, and that’s obvious to anyone who’s paying attention. A new Economist poll shows that Kennedy is more popular and far less hated than either major party front-runner. After almost 20 years of being silenced, Bobby Kennedy Junior is being heard, and why wouldn’t he be? Kennedy’s theories about vaccines may be right, they may be partially right, they could be even utterly wrong — no one’s proved it either way. But what we can say with certainty is that America’s medical establishment has beclowned itself for all time. Its official positions on vaccines, psychiatric drugs, puberty blockers, reassignment surgeries, a long list of other politically facile priorities, have no connection whatsoever to legitimate science. It’s all effectively witchcraft. At the annual meeting of the American Medical Association in Chicago last week, for example, delegates issued a statement attacking the Body Mass Index as a tool of “racist exclusion, which has caused historical harm.” Next year, they will denounce thermometers and stethoscopes. They’re insane. Compared to them, Bobby Kennedy is a mainstream figure, and people understand that — that’s why he’s winning. And you know he’s winning by how his critics are doing.'

'Bobby Kennedy Jr. is no longer the lone voice pointing out the Emperor’s got no clothes — or sense.'

 

No, you have completely misunderstood my posts. I’m all over PF explaining the positive results of vaccination including Covid vaccination. I’m simply advocating for honesty and full disclosure. And have been since Covid began. In April of 2020 I started telling people how to prepare their bodies to gain the most advantage from the vaccines that didn’t yet exist (using peer reviewed studies to back that advice).

Even my criticism of influenza vaccination policy is motivated by my desire for everyone to get the most benefit possible from current vaccine technology.

People who deny the benefits of vaccination are not critical thinkers. People who accept untrue claims about vaccine efficacy or deny disadvantages of vaccines are not critical thinkers.

What camp are you in?

 

What makes the same study more interesting if you post it than if I post it? I already supplied that study in the post you originally responded to in this thread. It’s no wonder you people are so misinformed. You didn’t read my post or the study when I posted it or when you posted it. From your link that is the same study my link already provided. The interesting part bolded AGAIN so maybe you will get it this time. Post #99 in this thread is where I first posted this study. You responded to that post.

Good for her and you! Thank her for me.

There are some die hard anti vaxxers. I don’t know any personally. I know a lot of folks that are far more skeptical now than before Covid. COVID exposed a lot of dishonesty that has been going on for decades. Personally, I didn’t know how much we had been misled on influenza death rates and influenza vaccination efficacy until Covid. I knew the numbers didn’t add up but not why.

We should NEVER trust the CDC etc. again. That doesn’t mean vaccines are bad. That doesn’t mean Covid vaccines are bad. It’s just a fact that these folks have lied about too many things to be trusted without verification of what they say. We must actually follow science.

 

Yes, I knew you were averse to facing and understanding inconvenient facts. You're not alone.

You don't know anybody who was extorted into taking the shots, but I know several because I know several airline pilots and soldiers and healthcare workers.

 

If someone is following this and interested, I don't want them to miss out because of something they may not have seen.

Your studies don't support your claims about them and you seem unwilling to consider the study samples. There's nowhere to go with you on this.

 

LOL. You didn’t read the study when I posted it. You didn’t read it when you posted it. You said your cite was more interesting than what I posted and it’s the SAME FREAKING STUDY.

I certainly hope we never have a serious pandemic of a disease that is quite deadly. People have learned nothing from the last one.

They are not my studies. They are studies from the Cleveland Clinic and citizens of Iceland. I’m simply reporting the findings. Those findings are that the more Covid vaccinations one received, the more likely they were to become infected with Covid. I’m not claiming anything, just sharing actual science with you and others who have been misled.

I asked you for data that conflicted with studies I presented. You presented the SAME STUDY that says the more vaccinations the more likely to be infected.