Joe the Plumber: Build a '(*)(*)(*)(*) fence' and 'start shooting'

Well what's happenign is all tied to the drugs trade, which is making a cest pool of their country. And who's buying the drugs? And where do their guns come from?

You have your fingers in this pie.

 

Looks like turning away Obama and Biden is profitable. It would be for our country also if they were turned away in November.

Radford bakery that turned Biden away sells out of 'freedom cookies'

 

yep that is the Republicans Plan, check out Arizona... they have real live republican death panels


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I agree with him.

 

I would have loved to ask him what he meant by 'we' when suggesting an alternative.​

 

Well, let's assume he actually MEANT that he wanted to shoot them with a gun and possibly kill them. (which is doubtful)

Then I think that's an overreaction because it is only a civil law that they are breaking as I understand it.

But if you're asking if the law about crossing our national border illegally, given that we have a terrorist situation we know now, I think it might be acceptable to change the law to be a felony punishable by most any degree of punishment, and if it is posted at the border that they are risking being shot if they cross the border, then shooting them could be an understandable option.

Illegal immigrants DO have a choice, you know. It would also help if the Dems and Reps would cooperate an quit using them for cheap labor and for votes.

 

Well you're right. I didn't think of that. They are ALREADY shooting at us.

Maybe Joe is right if he DID literally mean it.

Sorry, 'Think for Myself'.

 

I think you're being extreme. That's all I have to say to you.

 

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It would be one thing if we had militant Mexican nationals consistently carrying out guerrilla warfare against border patrol, or sneaking across with the sole intent of carrying out acts of terrorism. Then it'd make sense to take a far more aggressive approach. If we were to take such an approach with things as they are now, that would only inspire militancy amongst illegals already here, and others amongst the latino community.

One things is for sure though, amnesty is not the answer.

The Answer IMO:

-A wall. Both physical and technological.
-Lots of boots on the ground.
-Deport them as they're found.
-Mandatory E-verify.
-Harsh and consistent penalties for those who hire illegals, or assist them in any way.
-No taxed based social benefits whatsoever.
-Do away with birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.

Basically, make it near impossible to exist here in the states without legal citizenship, and much of the work will do itself.

 

In principle, sure. In practice... sounds like a police state. I'd rather find a way to make everyone who lives here pay for it, and keep the border open to anyone who wants in or out. Ya, not practical... just mentioning an ideal.​

 

Well with proper boarder security that would decrease. We put a man on the moon but we can't even protect our boarders. Get those on welfare and put them to work doing the job. They want a welfare check then let them earn it. It wouldn't be that hard for the gov't to train them to protect our boarders.

 

The idea of a police state shouldn't apply to people who're not even citizens.

 

The only death panels Arizona has is taking down the illegals invading our country. You should be thankful they are going that route because what it comes down to is they are saving your butt. Many think they have a problem down there and it stays there. They are wrong. That problem when not solved effects this entire country.

 

Without a secure border we are not a sovereign nation. We are just, 'an area,' on a map. The border MUST be a "police state" so that the interior doesn't have to be.

 

Without a secure border we are not a sovereign nation. We are just, 'an area,' on a map. The border MUST be a "police state" so that the interior doesn't have to be.

 

Fair statement, won't argue with it.​

 

I'd bust something in her ass. Again and again, and again, until she learned to mind her manners. "Come here you bad Mexican. Come to daddy."

 

It's the citizens I'm worried about. I remember walking through airports as soon as we could fly after 911. The armed soldiers... then later the posters of men and women in dark glasses and crisp uniforms inviting us to join their ranks in protecting our home land. Way too familiar. Sent a chill down my spine.

I'd rather not have that police state, even if it means some guys get what they don't deserve and the trains aren't as reliable.​

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Some 11 million guys... who have children which magically gain citizenship status(who continue to support their own kind), who use social services that should be reserved for citizens, who send more than $20 billion out of the economy, who have a large criminal element amongst them, who have an anti-American element amongst them, who rapidly alter demographics making the environment 'more like home'.

The ideas I have wouldn't effect me one bit, but allowing things to go as they are is another matter.

 

The federal government spent more than $12,000 per citizen last year; less than 6% of the families in this nation paid more than $12k per person. More than half paid no income tax at all.

You want to worry about 3.4% of the residents of this nation not being your 'own kind' or having the right membership card... you're missing the ball. Worry about the 94% of your own kind who are freeloading off the ever shrinking number of folks in this nation who actually pay our own way.


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Nice side stepping.

 

Seemed like a pretty direct response.

Your point was, it's not just 'some guys' but 11 million who are "get[ting] what they don't deserve" ... my direct response is: no, it's 292 million and limiting your indignation about it to the ones who are not your 'own kind' makes that indignation less credible.

Lefty, I can support your position about hardening the boarders. I get that. But the guy who's running a business next to me. Who may have got here illegally but has been paying taxes and busting his butt for a decade since. That guy's my neighbor and as far as I'm concerned more an American than half the dead beats born in this country.

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A target is just a target. The concerns are windage, distance and drop. Not makeup and boobs.

 

Directly off topic! The topic here is illegal immigration, not the economy at large. Look, if you're sympathetic towards illegal immigrants, just say so, there is no need to spin the conversation off into oblivion.

 

I'm sympathetic to immigrants. Heck, I like to think I'm sympathetic to everyone. Only a real jerk would have no sympathy for folks whose circumstances can be so difficult. Now, enough of this off topic exploration of sympathy you brought up.​

If you use indignation over economic issues to justify 'police state' tactics and more aggressive regulation of public services, I'm going to explore those arguments and see how consistent your are. For the record, it looks like "not very." Starting to seem like you're not so worried about freeloading as making sure only your 'own kind' get to do it.
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