Joe the Plumber: Build a '(*)(*)(*)(*) fence' and 'start shooting'

...said the guy who lives on an island and doesn't have any contact with illegal aliens.

 

Most everyone is sympathetic towards legal immigrants.

You've taken a small portion of my complaint, and tried to make it the entire focal point of the conversation... to the point of going off topic.

And here, not only are you putting words in my mouth, but you're totally ignoring the other side of the coin. In other words, you're criticizing me based off of the assumption that I'm racist (it's okay, I'm use to it), while ignoring the fact that Latinos very much care about 'their own'.

(*)(*)(*)(*) off if you're going to be a disingenuous troll.

 

You're really having trouble staying on topic...​

*shrug* I wouldn't call you a racist. But your gross generalization that Latinos are ... well, it seems kind of prejudice to me. Have you run out of actual arguments? Just warn me before you drop all pretense of an intelligent conversation and start swearing at me.​

oh.... too late.​

 

I have to take my shoes off and be groped by the TSA to fly on an airplane..all in the name of "Fatherland Security"...How many of those guys on the planes on 9/11 were american? Right. None of them.
Who is paying for all these "Agencies" and "Bureaus" full of unionized government employees that are keeping us "safe"? Right we are.

There's one area in the U.S. that isn't suffering from high unemployment and reduced benefits. Right. Unionized u.s. gov't. "employees".

When I go to a NFL game here I have to pass an employee who gives you a cursory frisk (males are frisked by males and females by females..there are 2 separate lines) all under the watchful eyes of the police before you enter the stadium.
That's a hell of a lot more than illegal aliens have to do at the border. They can just wander in whenever they want.

On of these days something REAL bad is going to get snuck across the border....and who is going to suffer? We are. The gov't. will use it as an excuse to FURTHER erode our freedom and expand the bureaucracy...to keep us safe, ya know...

 

So you want America to follow the example of third world (*)(*)(*)(*)holes?

 

Right...because unarmed people crossing the border with their familes in pursuit of a better life is an "invasion".

 

Can't argue with a lot of that. I'd just point out though while none of the 911 terrorists were American, the problem we had with them wasn't their citizenship. And we have plenty of home grown nut-jobs as well.

It's an ugly world these days, and ya... we probably do need to harden our boarders. But, like you, I'm worried about the freedoms we're loosing within our boarders because we can't find a better way to keep order.​

 

I love how this thread shows what Rightwingers really are: sick (*)(*)(*)(*)s who seemingly get their rocks off on the idea of our military gunning down unarmned civilians.

 

Don't lump us all in the same basket.​

 

Good reply. Thanks.


I'm in favor of closing them altogether and having very strict rules about who can enter. Like Canada does.
We have enough cheap labor in this country and not enough jobs for the citizens.

If the illegals want a better standard of living, better wages...whatever the excuse, they should stay home and address their problems and fix their own country like any true patriot would.
Running away from adversity is cowardice...

 

The Right Wing has such a fascinating collection of hypocrisy, double standards and deliberate ignorance!

They claim to be "strict constitutionalists", but have a problem with the Constitution's rules i.e. ANYONE born on US soil IS a US citizen! Fix it or quit whining, sheesh! But cut the "superior" tone, those kids didn't do ANY less than the Conservatives did to become citizens!

But what is particularly funny is the complaint that "illegals send $20 BILLION out of the country"! Here's why:

A EVERY employer who hires illegals pretty much KNOWS they are illegal! The employers who pay LESS than minimum wage, DON'T pay overtime, treat their employees like slaves, and don;t bother with laws concerning employment and POCKET the EXTRA PROFITS are CERTAIN their employees are ILLEGAL, yet we do NOTHING about these citizen CRIMINALS!

B. The large and supposedly responsible corporations who hire "CONTRACTORS" who charge PEANUTS to clean buildings, demolish structures, or do labor KNOW they are hiring ILLEGALS second hand, but do NOTHING about it, and POCKET the EXTRA PROFITS while piously WAILING about how they "couldn't know"..

THESE EMPLOYERS KNOW the money they pay these workers GOES BACK TO THE WORKER'S HOMELANDS, yet they want the TAXPAYERS to pay a TRILLION DOLLARS to build a WORTHLESS WALL ather than TEHMSELVES to STOP HIRING ILLEGALS. TOTAL BS.

And to top it off, these SAME CONSERVATIVES defend the WEALTHY, including their PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, for sending THEIR MONEY overseas! Romney has HIMSELF SINGLE HANDEDLY sent overseas a significant percentage of ALL THE MONEY that illegals supposedly send, but if OUR WEALTHIEST send their money OVERSEAS DIRECTLY instead of through ILLEGALS, THAT IS A-OK with Conservatives!

What rot!

 

as a matter of interest, how old are you?

 

Old enough to use a heat seeking missile and young enough to tap the target.

 

I've never claimed to be a strict constitutionalists, and have been consistently critical of the 14th amendment.

There is another side of the coin here though. Liberals (just gonna throw you all in the same group here) often like to argue that the constitution is a living document... except for when amending certain things would be counter productive to their aims or goals, counter to their ideals.

Have you seen a conservative argue against the idea that employers of illegal immigrants should be penalized?

Has Romney sent his money overseas illegally? Will that money disappear, never to return to this economy?

 

They claim to be "strict constitutionalists", but have a problem with the Constitution's rules i.e. ANYONE born on US soil IS a US citizen! Fix it or quit whining, sheesh! But cut the "superior" tone, those kids didn't do ANY less than the Conservatives did to become citizens!

Actually IF you read that amendment and the CASE that brought it about, one could claim that is not the intention of the amendment. IT WAS NOT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION. It was added. And it DOES NOT say, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen. It says anyone under the jurisdiction of the US Govt. FYI Foreign Ambassador's and Embassy personal that have a child in the USA. THAT CHILD IS NOT a US citizen. If they ever wanted to be, they'd have to apply through normal channels.

Liberalism, the name originally came from LIBERALLY interpreting the Constitution and now you're DEMANDING that conservatives accept your liberal and erroneous interpretation of an amendment.

Why is the pendulum swinging away from your nonsense? Bet you can't figure it out.

 

People ague that the Constitution says WHAT IT SAYS! Conservatives keep arguing that we should do what the Founders INTENDED 200 yeas ago.

Well, yes. We just had Dispondent arguing that its too much trouble for employers to use E-Verify to check immigration status, and employers should be PAID to do so!

The arguments on why the employers are "poor innocent victims of illegals" flow like water from the Righties!

Of course, I have NEVER seen an excuse for all the employers who hire people willing to beak all the rules like no overtime, no minimum wage, no safety equipment, etc.! I guess the THOSE employers just figure they are hiring a bunch of mentally retarded!

Well, yes, there's a very good chance it NEVER will! Is thee ANYTHING Romney could want to buy that he can't afford with the 100's of millions he has on hand here at home?

But how does the 20 Billion illegals send home compare to the TRILLIONS of investment in CHINA by our wealthy? The TRILLIONS invested elsewhere in Asia? How about JUST the BILLIONS invested in the Mexican side of the USA border region by USA companies?

Just WHO is sinking America? Sub-minimum wage illegals or our OWN LAW-BREAKING TRAITOROUS BUSINESSMEN!

 

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So you're finally catching on. Closing the border will put an immediate stop to all of those things and they'll no longer be an issue. Right?

EDIT;

A wall around the entire country wouldn't cost a trillion dollars...stop exaggerating.

 

I guess it's a fair question nonetheless. Do you think the founders would have us granting citizenship to the children of people will illegally crossed our border?

Hmm, I can't speak for him, but I'm not sure his comments equate to the idea that employers should get away with knowingly hiring illegals.

The key word here is investment.

 

The question is not whether or not it was added to the Constitution, but how does the 1Afroyim v. Rusk4th amendment affects the Constitution as a whole. Contrary to your claim about case law, both Wong Ark Kim case and the Afroyim v. Rusk case affirm that a US citizen must be natural. Natural, under the Constitution is defined as being born on US soil and under said jurisdiction. Furthermore, children of the Ambassadors and other foreign dignataries are exempted from this definition.

Technically, those born here, with or without legal immigrant standing, are afforded the same rights and privledges as one whose ancestors were born here. However, there is still room for case interpretation or for refining the definition within the current meaning by case law of said amendment. But I would not hold my breath on any easy passage, especially if you truly understood the Rusk ruling.

 

If we didn't, none of their children would be citizens.​

 

Well, I guess that would make the entire constitution null and void then.

 

Oh, that thing immigrants gave us?​

 

They weren't "immigrants"...they were "pilgrims"..there is a distinct difference.

 

Well, since they were all illegal immigrants, what authority did they have to write the constitution, in extension, what authority does the constitution have? What authority did they have to create borders of any kind?