Just buffoonery, or something worse?

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  1. CornPop

    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    Here's the facts:

    1. Bragg is looking to charge Trump with falsifying a business expense. This assumes Trump was directly involved and Bragg is relying on Cohen to succeed on this charge. The problems with this are two-fold: A) Cohen is currently in prison for lying about this issue and B) the statute of limitations on this charge technically ran out about 5 years ago. This is also a petty misdemeanor which means that even if Bragg manages to get a conviction based on the testimony of someone who has been lying about this issue for 7 years and five years after the statute of limitations technically expired, the outcome would be meaningless.

    2. In order to make this charge worthwhile, Bragg needs to elevate it to a felony. To do that, he needs to couple the first charge with another offense. The other offense he's looking to tie it to is a federal charge of concealing a federal election law violation. The problem with this is also two-fold: A) adding a federal charge onto a state charge in this way seems unprecedented and is likely illegal and B) the DOJ already investigated this charge and didn't find evidence to bring charges. Even liberal legal scholars are laughing at this strategy.

    At the federal level there was a similar case against John Edwards during his presidential election campaign, and the DOJ failed to get a conviction. There was more evidence against Edwards than there is against Trump. Until Bragg provides more substance, this case is a complete joke. Bragg is relying on an anti-Trump grand jury, judge and jury on this case and ignoring that it would get overturned on appeal even if he successfully dismantled the rule of law for his political prosecution. He's hoping for a miscarriage of justice to get an initial conviction and seem like a hero to his base.
     
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  2. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Bingo! And the FEC rules, as well as NYS campaign finance laws say exactly that.
     
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  3. CornPop

    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    There are also plenty of personal reasons a celebrity would want to protect their public image.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. Paying Clifford the hush money isn't the crime the Trump haters think it is. In fact, it isn't a crime at all.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Eastman's plan was entirely based on legal interpretations and constitutionality. Just because it sounds to you like it fits your agenda does not make it illegal in any way.
     
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    And yet John Edwards DID spend campaign funds for hush money and he was not convicted and the left said he never should have been prosecuted for it.
     
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    Passing laws???
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Lol, bull ****. Every one of his recommendations would have been a violation of the Constitution, the ECA, or both.
     
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    Edwards clearly used campaign funds for the payoff and they could not get a conviction.
     
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    Republicans have a good shot in if they don't run Trump. It looks as though a few Democratic DAs will decide who wins in 2024.
     
  11. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because person A has a different view on the law does not at all make person B illegal.
     
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    He is basing his desire to charge him with a felony on his charge Trump violated federal law. Thus if it goes to court Bragg will be prosecuting him by trying to prove he violated a federal law which does not apply to state law. And the FED's said he didn't violate federal law.
     
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    I don't disagree, but if the Democrats' henchmen keep going after Trump, it's their fault that he may win the nomination. They are inadvertently adding to his popularity.
     
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    This is the main reason the DOJ says a sitting president cannot be criminally charged or indicted. If all 90 or so US Attorneys filed a charge against a president the president could not get anything else done, meaning carry out his constitutional duties.
     
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    Yeah, it's dumb as hell that the President can't be criminally charged for subverting the Constitution based on the argument that holding him responsible for that would disrupt his ability to carry out his Constitutional duties. That's backwards as hell, but, yes, the DOJ is that dumb right now.
     
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    Or none of the above but it was never placed in effected.
     
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    Anyone who can read the Eastman Memo, the Constitution, and the ECA can see exactly what I'm talking about. "But now one tried to overthrow the Constitution like this before" isn't an excuse.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you cannot see the self evident logic and rationale behind the policy, I have no help.
     
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    The "logic" is self-evidently contradictory
     
  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Get your facts straight. Cohen is no longer in prison. Clearly Bragg thinks he has a case to be made to the court that the statute of limitations has not expired.........and or not all the charges he plans to bring fall under that category.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why wouldn't investigating a failed coup, orchestrated by the now former prez, fall under the purview of Congress?
     
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    You're aware that Congress is not the DOJ, right?
     
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    In order to try one most first put a plan into effect that one never was.
     
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    Pressuring people to break the law is a crime even if you fail to convince them. How did you not know that before today?
     

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