Killing Babies no Different from Abortion, Experts Say

Ohhh, you thought because the URL had Princeton in the name, that the site was sanctioned by Princeton University. It isn't, it's just a pro-life group on that campus. Lots of people make that mistake, which was the intent of group, obviously.

 

Once again, we have already dismissed this argument. We are not discussing when life began on this Earth, we are talking about when an individual human life begins. Did your life begin when you were a sperm? Do you celebrate the life of an unfertilized egg? Nobody is attempting to argue that prior to fertilization that no life existed. This is one of many strawman arguments employed. When does the life of every human begin? Scientists will tell you life begins at conception. LIberals want to deny science because it is inconvenient to their pro-abortion dogma. Nobody is arguing that a single fertilized egg is a human being. These stupid strawman arguments only serve to diminish your own credibility. Using fallacious arguments do not serve the discussion or debate. Your multi-species argument is irrelevant and superfluous. This is not about ignorant pro-lifers, it is about legitimate disagreements. Demonizing or belittling those who disagree in such a way shows you have a very weak argument.

 

Ooohhhhhhhhh you think Princeton is pro life if they post science that backs my claim.

 

"Princeton" didn't post "science." An on-campus pro-life group posted propaganda with a misleading URL.

 

Really? Refute what they posted. And prove that Princeton didn't allow for it to be posted on their website. Do you think Princeton is in the habit of posting lies on their site?

 

Regardless of how it was peer-reviewed, edited or how many people wrote it, you seem to be defending their position.

Given your commitment to the pro-abortion cause you almost have to be. Because you advance intellectually dishonest
arguments in order to justify the slaughter of innocent children in utero. This is why you can't call a baby a baby. This is
why you believe in a magic vajayjay that creates a person where none existed upon passage through it's magic portal.
The support for infanticide is militant and will be a shame upon our nation which is supposed to be a beacon of the
Enlightenment for generations to come (provided they are not aborted).

 

No. There is a difference between belittling an opponent and give someone advice on how to avoid
appearing stupid by avoiding strawman arguments.

 

Of course Princeton allowed pro-life groups to post material on their URL. It's been there for a while. But that doesn't mean that the University agrees with or endorses, or that it would disallow OPINIONS on their site.

 

Then Princeton would never endanger their reputation by letting a group put up lies on their site. Thank you.

 

Frankly, the fact that life begins at conception is so widely known to be fact, I don't think there is a scientific debate about it. The science is settled.

Or perhaps that had something to do with a political decision by the courts in Roe v Wade?

I'm glad you brought up this point. Twins. When did life begin if it were twins? Did 2 lives begin upon separation? Same goes for identical triplets, quadruplets ect. The answer is no different. Life for those individuals began at conception. Then you would say, how can a single cell be more than one individual? Well, do not identical twins have identical DNA? Yes they do. This is proof that life begins at conception, because two individuals, who through the process of cellular division, split off and became their own individual souls and minds. Their life did not begin when they split, but before that, when they shared the same DNA from conception. These twins could not exist, were it not for these early stages of human development. That is why when I have pointed out that abortion in the early stages kills at least one human life.

 

Again, it allows diverse opinions.

 

So it permits lies according to you? Yes or no.

 

Killing babies was pretty routine in the OT.....

 

Off topic. Typical.

 

I think the subject is killing babies, is it not?

 

Not to me. Where did I mention 'killing babies' as my point?

 

You are not well versed in this debate. You need to tighten up your terminology.

Note that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here by not suggesting that you just are careless with your terminology rather than you really not knowing.

1) "Life" does not begin at conception. This is a scientific fact. Both the egg and sperm are alive a were your parents.

Animate does not come from inanimate. There egg and sperm are not two non living entities that somehow join together and become living.

Again, I do not really think you meant to make the claim that you did but, it is what it is.

Tighten up your terminology.

 

LOL.. Read the TITLE of the thread................

 

LOL! Read my posts!!!

 

So you are saying that life begins before conception?

So why do we not protect the life of every egg or sperm?

I couldn't possibly be more clear in my language. Read my lips, "Life begins at conception".

These silly strawman arguments have been presented by at least half a dozen people on this thread alone.
Please read the thread so that we do not have to repeat over and over the logical fallacies which have already
been dismissed.

Personal attacks are also a sign that your argument is weak. Saying things like, "You are not well versed in this
debate," is your subjective opinion and gratuitous. Telling me to "tighten up my terminology" as if what I am saying
is unclear. I couldn't be more clear. We are not having an academic scientific debate, but one which is in laymans
terms on a public forum for everyone to participate.

If you disagree with me it is not enough to simply say that I am wrong, but you don't even give your opinion as to
what is right.

If your point is that every sperm is a human life, then millions of every man's offspring are killed with each ejaculation.
I don't think that is what you mean to say, is it? What we are talking about is human life. Nobody is claiming that
each human life was created out of nothing, out of inanimate life. These are strawman arguments which
damage your credibility. Try to stay within the parameters of the debate.

 

Birth control failures are few and far between. Granted, one must be smart enough to not skip a pill or whatever method they're using.That's not a birth control failure; that's a brain failure.

I don't know (or care) about statistics, but I would guess easily 80% of abortions are for women under 25 or so who are too damned dumb to use their brains. They are unmarried and can't possibly care for and support a child on their own. These fools should keep their legs closed. The world won't end if they don't put out and, actually, they'll be more stable if they pick and choose carefully. Dating a guy or thinking he's cute is not a reason to spread 'em.

I should add I'm not necessarily against abortion. As someone once said about something else: It's killing all the right people.

 

There are no straw men. I do not think you understand the definition of a straw man.

Do not blame me that you use vague terminology.

It is not a "Straw man" for me to point this out as there is clearly a difference between life and "human life". This is the abortion debate so unless I stepped out and things changed it is "human life" and not " general life" which is the topic.

What is a fact is that "life" does not begin at conception.

A sperm is life. Do you really not know this ? Do you not realize that animate does not come from inanimate ?

 

Sure it does. Prove otherwise.

 

It is commonly known that humans have failures. But birth control also fails, even the most reliable, and that is sterilization.

Fortunately, young women neither know nor care about your opinion as to whether they should have sex. Abstinence as a method of birth control has been a woeful failure. But the abortion rate could be cut drastically if men would simply refuse to have sex with these fools.

Abortion isn't killing "people" at all. It's just ending a pregnancy, a pregnancy is the process of making people, so abortion interrupts the process.

 

lol. Do you have a clue what you said?

I can think of only one person that happened to. Her name was Mary.