Killing Babies no Different from Abortion, Experts Say

I can tell you when life begins, that is, at conception. I fail to see how you feel you are superior to
me given that you have no answer whatsoever.

 

I don't know how anyone dare claim otherwise. For people to not know that life begins
at conception is an indictment of our educational system. I blame the public education
system.

 

You do realise that LIFE BEGINS BEFORE CONCEPTION!!!???

A Human Egg Cell and a Human Sperm Cell are ALIVE!!

This details just how poorly educated and how ignorant of Scientific Facts and Realities some in the Anti-Abortion Group are.

They are arguing something as STUPID as....HEY MAN!!! LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION!!!

No....no it doesn't!!!

The Sperm and Egg Cell were already alive prior to Conception.

But a Fertilized Egg is about as close to being a Human Baby as a FREAKIN' CARROT IS!!!

A CARROT IS ALIVE....A CABBAGE IS ALIVE!!! A CUCUMBER IS ALIVE!!!

So is a Sperm Cell...so is an Egg Cell PRIOR TO CONCEPTION!!!

Thing is even a Fertilized Egg Cell is not only NOT A HUMAN BEING.....NEITHER IS A FETUS!!

In fact a Human Being is a MULTICELLULAR, MULTISPECIES BIOMECHANICAL BIOLOGICAL MACHINE designed to carry around a BIG BRAIN!!!

In fact if on cells with Human DNA and Human Genomes were the only cells in a persons body.....THEY WOULD QUICKLY DIE!!!

Why?

BECAUSE A HUMAN BEING IS AN ANIMAL THAT IS MULTI-SPECIES IN NATURE!!!

It cannot live or grow or even exist as only containing human cells with Human Genomes.

There are virtually THOUSANDS OF OTHER SPECIES NECESSARY AND EXISTING IN OUR BODIES THAT ARE NON-HUMAN THAT WITHOUT WE COULD NOT SURVIVE...COULD NOT BE BORN....COULD NOT EAT....COULD NOT GROW....ETC.

Again....THE IGNORANCE OF THE PRO-LIFERS IS STUNNING!!!

AboveAlpha

 

This. I am pro choice but this is a ridiculous notion. There is a reason why late term abortion is banned in most of the world, and even most pro choicers dont support it.

A baby is formed gradually, it develops and grows for months. It doesnt magically turn from a worthless foetus to a precious baby the second it passes through a birth canal. That is simply not how the underlying biology works.

Sure, we call it a foetus before birth and a baby after birth, but that is a technical term, a dictionary definition. Biological reality does not care about your neat linguistical categories. In reality, a late term foetus is pretty much equivalent to a baby in every relevant measure, heck, it is arguably more of a baby than many preterm born ones.

If you support elective late term abortion, then you may as well support infanticide. There is no difference.


On the other hand, foetus in first trimester is really just a bunch of cells and far from a baby. So I dont see anything wrong with elective abortions at early stages of pregnancy. Thats when overwhelming majority of abortions happen anyway.

 

Have you failed so miserably that you are now resorting to belittling your opponent?

 

I can tell you that you only THINK you know when it begins. You don't know more than all the scientific scholars, philosophers, and theologians combined for centuries who have never reached a consensus. Many people have their own theories (ideas they believe is true without proof), but NO ONE knows for a fact, including you.

I can also tell you that no one thought a fertilized egg was a human being before Pope Pius IX said it was in 1896, not even Catholics. Clearly, a Catholic Pope has his own questionable motives for making that scientifically baseless declaration. The motive for Evangelical leaders to adopt the Catholic mantra in the late 70's has also been exposed as purely political.

If you believe that a fertilized egg at conception is a human being, then explain how, up to 14 days later, the embryo can split, forming two or more entities that you claim are human beings. At that point, there are two or more, but only one of them was formed at conception. Explain that. It is also possible for human beings to be cloned, proving definitively that life does not begin at conception.

 

Take from it any point that works for you. How's that for logic? No charge for the lesson.

 

Who does? Women who have suffered a pregnancy for months don't change their minds for trivial reasons. And even if some mentally imbalanced woman did, no doctor would perform it. There are only a handful of late term abortion providers in the country. The chances it could happen are so extremely remote, there is no need for laws. In fact, those very laws have been known to hurt women, even resulting in their deaths.

 

No idea what your point is but I did get a kick out of your "scientific " BLOG that spells baby incorrectly ...LOL!

 

What is a life cycle photo? A fetus is not life? What is it then?

Here ya go spell cop..........

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

 

There shouldn't be a charge since the "lesson" is worthless

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I never said a fetus is not life.

 

Your link to a pro-life group is supposed to prove something?

 

Then ignore it.

I never said a fetus is a baby. Read before you spew at me in the future.

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Princeton is a pro life group? That's funny.

 

I think you have too much faith in people. It is rare but it does happen. Laws should cover even rare offenses. You dont legalize murder just because murder rate gets very low. It is also a matter of principle and coherency in legislation. The instances of those laws hurting women are very rare, too, and something that can and should be solved by adjusting the laws and regulations, not outright legalizing it.

There is a minority of pro-choice extremists that support elective late term abortions. More broadly, everytime someone uses the argument "but they are not born yet!", they are indirectly condoning late term abortion (they arent born yet, too), and set the stage for acceptance of infanticide, often without even realizing it. Such rhetoric is very common, with examples even in this thread, and is deeply problematic.

 

Canada has no abortion laws and late term abortions are rare and done for medical reasons.

I haven't seen or heard a Pro-Choicer say "but they aren't born yet" as a reason for late term abortions.
There are no examples.

 

You yourself are guilty of it:

Both of these arguments apply to foetuses of any age equally. So you are effectively arguing that a woman should be able to abort all the time up to birth for any reason, even if you didnt meant to.

Elective late term abortions may not happen in Canada now, but I see no reason to oppose a law banning them anyway. As I said, you dont legalize something just because it doesnt tend to happen. Even situations that can arise in principle should be covered. Especialy situations of life and death like this. Moreover, Canada is not the whole world. Sometimes elective late term abortions do happen.

 

Any woman who would want an elective late third term abortion is so desperate or mentally imbalanced, she would attempt to find a way, regardless of legality. Canada has no abortion laws and yet a lower rate of abortion than the US. It is a "pro-life" strategy to start with criminalization of extremely rare abortions, then gradually criminalize all abortions incrementally.

Laws that that are ineffective, and even hurt people are bad laws.

Instances of laws hurting women are not so rare in the US as you think, and they are common in countries with extreme anti-abortion laws.

It isn't true that pro-choicers support elective late term abortions. They simply oppose unnecessary laws that are ineffective and hurt and even cause women to die.

 

Obviously, they don't. They don't bother to think of these things before they bed down. Protection is cheap and easy. Sex is not a natural function like taking a crap. Sex is voluntary. If they can't figure this out ahead of time, they're too damned dumb to be having sex.

 

Obviously,men don't. They don't bother to think of these things before they bed down. Protection is cheap and easy. Sex is not a natural function like taking a crap. Sex is voluntary. If they can't figure this out ahead of time, they're too damned dumb to be having sex.


So let's get some laws passed that control men.


Then we'll get laws passed that change human nature ..........


Then we'll get laws passed that don't allow anyone to ever make a mistake.....

 

While some people do get caught up in the passion of the moment, others plan ahead and still have birth control failures. Protection is NOT cheap and easy, the easiest and cheapest is not the most effective. Nobody has ever claimed that intelligence is a requirement for having sex, please feel free to legislate that. You are falling into a common trap, i.e. blaming women for unwanted pregnancies because they were either too stupid or too lazy. FYI, unwanted pregnancies happen to all kinds of women.

 

Then your saying and I believe your point all along..."It's the women's right, for any self serving reason, to snuff out that life". The question then on this thread....Does the woman then have a presumed right to snuff out a child's life, for cause she determines, justifiable or society in general to allow such actions?

On other threads, I feel most abortions, especially after 20 week's are for unjustifiable reasons, such as a break up with the sperm donor, he doesn't want to support the child, a baby would cause financial hardship or other reasons, then based on that so call right. In reality, IMO society is better off without unwanted children, however prevention is the answer. On this; If the woman has some special right to abort, where the males supposedly has no choice, then it's also the woman responsibility to prevent the pregnancy, in the first place. To explain this under law, if the woman has the child, the male is responsible under the law support of that child.

 

While it's not common, some woman can use pregnancy to achieve some purpose/goal, knowing if it fails, abortion is available...or use the child for additional support from government. Since it does happen and we all know that it does, responsibility never follows and the pawn (a life) is the only one punished.....YES, it can be at any level of intelligence or integrity....