Large groups of vaccinated people still getting infected

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One question that can be asked is whether the vaccine does anything to prevent the spread if an individual is infected.
    I don't think that's an area that has been very well studied at all.
     
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    it reduces duration and amount of infection in most, so yes, it reduces, but not eliminates spread
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you believe it could be possible, or even likely, that a healthy younger unvaccinated person could have a stronger immune system than a vaccinated geriatric person?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are probably people who support federal mandate, but they are not very vocal about it. However, their silence doesn't mean the mandate does not exist. I hope it gets invalidated by the courts before it takes effect,

    In the meanwhile in Europe, the RW anti-vaxxers are rioting, burning and looting. The police chief called it "an orgy of violence" Coming to a neighborhood near us?

    Dutch police open fire on rioters in demonstration against COVID restrictions
    https://www.npr.org/2021/11/20/1057...rs-demonstration-covid-restrictions-rotterdam

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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like a healthy dose of Whataboutism, in an attempt to try to derail the discussion of this thread...
    "Hey, look over here!"

    You do realize there's no possibility we can specifically discuss that in this thread?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I addressed the points and then added "in the meanwhileism". Sorry if it bothers you.
     
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    They are not anti-vaxers, they are the people who are against dictatorship and concentration camps..
     
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    In other words, COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine, but medical treatment to boost.
    It only took couple of months before positions has changed from - "it is a condom" to "it is not a condom".
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-lockdowners. Same people.
     
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    Yes, whatever you call them they are fighting a good fight.
    Sure, some people do not see how totalitarian regime is replacing democracy,.
    Or may be those people enjoy perspective of concentration camps, thinking they will get management position somewhere in the state political prison.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So rioting, burning and looting is suddenly good and healthy?
     
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    Yes, if people are looting stores and stealing stuff, nothing is good about that. I was talking about protest against government overreach.
     
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    But they are rioting, burning and looting and you said it was a good thing. Now you seem to say that we should just call it a "protest".
     
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    You kind of trying to find analogy between Democrat party sponsored racially charged "protest" and people's protest against the dictatorship.
    The only similarity is that protests were associated with looting and property damage.
    That does not make those protests equal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
     
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    If both are rioting, burning and looting, then the only difference is the reason why they do it, which seems to justify it for you.
     
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    A large boatload of manipulated data and "edited" definitions from the Medical Industrial Complex to be printed without question by mainstream media illustrates clearly the many failures of the shots. If they have to keep moving the goal posts, something is wrong with the story.

    The phenomenon of more shots leading to more infections has been repeated endlessly around the world, now that about half the population has been stuck.

    That some people refuse to see it simply illustrates humans in denial of facts.
     
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    Those hundreds of thousands around the world who have suffered adverse effects would likely disagree with your claim that "they are still doing a good job preventing bad outcomes". How can GB syndrome and other such reactions NOT be a bad outcome?
     
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    The difference is that riots in 2020 were supported by the government.
     
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    Trump's government? I find that hard to believe. Who in the government said rioting is good?

    Peaceful protest is a constitutional right, and every politician should support that, but I don't recall anyone supporting rioting, looting and burning. On the contrary I do remember politicians from both sides vocally condemn them
     
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    of course, and it's possible that an elderly person has a stronger immune system then a young person, and that goes back and forth do to stress, lack of sleep, sickness, diet, ect... why?
     
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    you don't understand what a vaccine is then

    all a vaccine does is try to train your immune system to fight a virus if\when you do get it, it's not like a Condom
     
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    They are doing a good job preventing bad outcomes from SARS-CoV-2 infections. Guillain–Barré, myocarditis, blood clots, etc. are all bad outcomes but occur much less often than bad outcomes from infection in many demographics

    Personally I would prefer people address their lifestyle choices that affect likelihood of infection and bad outcomes from Covid instead of depending on vaccination alone. First, because I like to see people protected from all cause mortality, not just SARS-CoV-2 caused mortality. Second, because doing so increases efficacy of Covid (and other) vaccines if people choose to vaccinate. Finally, lifestyle affects bad outcomes from vaccination as well. Historically, Guillain–Barré syndrome is associated with higher BMI. Also, severe/fatal GB historically is more common in diabetics.

    If anyone is interested in lifestyle choices anyone can make to decrease chance of SARS-CoV-2 infection (vaccinated or unvaccinated), decrease your chances of poor outcomes from Covid (vaccinated or unvaccinated), and decrease your chance of poor outcomes from vaccination, go here:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073045677/

    Covid vaccines are a way for people unable or unwilling to address Covid from a lifestyle perspective to mitigate risk from Covid. Just like it’s good we have burgeoning construction of dialysis centers for people who don’t/didn’t address their diabetes with lifestyle changes. Everyone should have choices in how they wish to address risk.
     
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    Evidently this is where the Australian army is rounding up sending the unvaccinated to in the northern territories.

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    In case you didn't get the question: "Who in the government said rioting is good?" No one said it. Even Trump said protests are good and patriotic, even though he is being investigates for actually inciting a riot. We'll see what comes out of it, - probably nothing. So, I stand by what I said.
     

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