Lewiston police tell NBC more than 20 believed dead in mass shooting

Did you miss the link I provided you? Why can't leftists find simple information for themselves? I mean it explains a lot.

Kyle did a great job defending himself.

The Weaver's were murdered by their government for federal agents asking him multiple times to cut some barrels off of shotguns. I'm not surprised you'd be all for that.

Koresh was murdered for the same reason.

Leftists do love killing people they don't like though.

All you've done is give us a good example of why people should be armed against a tyrannical government and violent mobs.

 

At this point almost all Americans know that MSM = Fake News, but it is still easy for the unwary to become disinformed.

“According to a CBS News poll, most doubt the Federal Bureau of Investigation told the truth about its role in those events to Attorney General Janet Reno then, and believe there has been a government cover-up to keep the public from learning the truth.”
CBS NEWS, Poll: Gov't Covered Up Waco, BY CBSNEWS.COM STAFF CBSNEWS.COM STAFF
OCTOBER 6, 1999 / 12:11 PM EDT / CBS.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-govt-covered-up-waco/

The mass slaughter of women and children at Waco was at best the result of a shameful level of incompetence on the part the federal law enforcement and military involved.
It was more likely yet another example of mass murder perpetrated by government officials under the color of law.

 

your links have not answered any questions … and you still haven’t answered why that hyphen is so important to you …

the ATF had a valid search warrant and the Davidians decided to shoot it out rather than comply … they were on the Armageddon delusion propagated by Koresh and desperately wanted to keep their explosives and automatic weapons for the “Apocalypse “ …

why didn’t Koresh let women and children go? … he was a cowardly pedophile …

 

Is that supposed to be responsive to something from my post? If so, exactly what?

 

That, folks, is the textbook definition of a strawman.... We just seem to disagree on the definition of what is needed for "self defense"...

 

we hear from leftists that they want to ban semi auto rifles to stop those who ignore capital murder consequences from shooting people. Semi auto rifles are popular for self defense-but the gun banners claim that stopping murders trumps the rights of lawful citizens to own and buy those weapons

yet the left wing gun banners-for the most part (a big change from the sixties and seventies) claim they don't want to ban the firearms most used for self defense and even more of a proportion for murder-handguns.

now if stopping shooting (that already come with a death sentence or LWOP) is the real goal of the Democrats/liberals/socialists/progressives-then why don't they target the firearms most used for murders and mass shootings?

 

Koresh had always complied with law enforcement requests in the past. THE ATF was facing a budget cut in the Congress and wanted to stage a big bust to show that the ATF was an essential agency. Koresh called the sheriff's department when the ATF showed up and started to attack the compound. Koresh was a complete nutcase but the charges against the Davidians were mainly bogus and certainly didn't justify that sort of action by the ATF. and half the agents killed in that raid were shot by other ATF agents

 

I'm for both, of course, but I figure more people would support an assault weapon ban over a handgun ban...

 

yeah lots of liberals are gun banners. and it has nothing to do with crime control

 

We might get more information

"Lewiston-based law firm requests state, federal agencies preserve all evidence about Robert Card"

https://wgme.com/news/local/lewisto...-sparetime-recreation-just-in-time-recreation

 

There might be a few who have a separate agenda, but 99% of it is crime control/death prevention... don't kid yourself with that one...

 

that's complete nonsense because if crime control were the real motivation, most of the stuff dems push would disappear

1) The Hughes Amendment banning private citizens from owning (with the onerous registration requirements) machine guns made after May 19, 1986. In 75 years there have been NO cases of private citizens using legally owned machine guns to murder others. This law was passed to try to disrupt a larger pro gun bill to which it was attached
2) the clinton gun ban targeted cosmetic features that don't change how the firearm functions
3) attempts to ban people from buying X number of guns or rounds in a given period of time
4) registration requirements-which can only be prosecuted against people who don't have records

 

Yet that is the basis of the 2nd Amendment.

I don't care what your definition of what is needed for "self defense". Leftist can pee on themselves, squeal loudly, try to explain how they're an "ally", run, cry, call the cops that they hate to come and save them, or whatever else.

 

Oh I've explained it. It's not my fault you can't comprehend the explanation.

Yeah the government did a great job at the Koresh compound "Let them go or we'll burn you all to death". And they did.

They straight up murdered people at Ruby Ridge over some short shotguns.

But, like I said, thank you for explaining why the 2nd Amendment is so important and providing great examples of why it is so.

 

So, two strangers got into an argument and settled it with firearms and by-standers paid the price, including a child who got killed

Texas flea market shooting leaves child dead, 4 others injured
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-flea-market-shooting-leaves-child-dead-4-others-injured
A child is dead, and a suspect is still on the loose following a shooting at a Texas flea market on Sunday.

Three adults and one additional child were injured, police said. Officers responded to a call of shots fired at Cole’s Flea Market in the Pearland area about 5:30 p.m. The victims were transported to hospitals.

Pearland Police Department Officer Chad Rogers said during a news conference that the shooting was a result of an argument between two people who did not know each other.

 

Yep. They were from the government and just there to help.

 

I'm sure if the shooter was white this will be talked about a lot.

 

Funny that self defense isn't mentioned then.... making that a 2nd strawman...

 

You are "sure" because everything revolves around peoples skin color to you, but no, the shooter was not black, as you seem to assume.

Its not all over the news because only 5 people were shot and 1 child killed, and its barely makes the news anymore.

 

Happens routinely in Chicago and no one notices.

 

Your post seems to contradict itself...

 

Only if you use surface level thinking.

 

I didn't say black.

Why did you.

 

Funny how the courts have though.

Well, that and using critical thinking of the most minor kind.

 

well those of us who have studied constitutional theory and history know that the founders based the constitution and the bill of rights on a concept that many liberals hate-one of natural law and the supreme court has often mentioned that. The second amendment is founded upon that natural right. Though this system dates to times that pre-date Christianity, the concept of natural law and rights started to gain support in the 17th and 18th centuries and holds that these rights and laws can be discovered by reason. More importantly, the adherents of this theory hold that rights do not come from government. Many on the left despise this foundation because it comes -at least in some part-to a belief in a deity and many on the left see government as the supreme God of man.