Lewiston police tell NBC more than 20 believed dead in mass shooting

The ban in 1997? See chart below. Looks like it declined from 1.49 to 1.00, - a 35% reduction, but IMO its pretty close to irrelevant because handgun ownership was very low to begin with, and hardly anyone was allowed to carry one outside their homes. Also, the murder rate was pretty low to begin with. In US, it was 6.7 in 1997.

 

I see. Then why is the rate is stabbings higher in US where we are not rendered defenseless? Being prepared to defend yourself doesn't make you immune from getting stabbed. It can happen before you know it.

I don't support banning anything. Is that what you want?

No, it did not. It declined 35%, but I already responded to that, saying the UK ban is irrelevant because so few had guns to begin with and no one was carrying.

 

Because militia is specifically mentioned, the 2A is clearly meant to say citizens should be armed and organized to "protect local residents from attack and invasion. It also meant physical protection from government overreach"

There is a reason some of that is in quotes...

 

1) before FDR-there was no power whatsoever, given to the federal government to restrict what arms private citizens could own etc
2) FDR's lapdog supreme court ASSUMED (if you read US v Miller you won't find the court actually explaining why the government had this power) that the federal government could regulate or ban firearms NOT USEFUL for the militia-in other words, the USSC created this power
3) the USSC 15 or so years ago determined that one need not have any connection to the militia to keep and bear, use and own firearms that are in common use

so Militia no longer is relevant. Now if you want to complain that the USSC has "changed the second amendment" you must also complain that the FDR court ignored the Tenth amendment

btw How does someone be ready for militia service if they cannot own militia suitable firearms before they are called up

 

you do know that the USA had a similar decline and in the USA we authorized most of the citizens in most of the states to carry firearms on their person in public

 

Yes, I have brought that up with you 5-6 times. We have talked about Chicago, where murder rate was cut in half while they had strict gun control, but I have said we have to look at the whole nation, because murder rates declined across the board with the ending of the crack epidemic.

So, someone brought up UK, where hand guns were banned, and murder rate dropped 35% since then, but their murder rate was very low to begin with, and very few people owned handguns and even those who did, were not able to carry them. That's why I said the UK experiment is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the US.

 

Gun Free Cities and Zones are common in the US.

Gun control laws kill the innocent.

In fact, all crime, including gun crime goes up as guns become more valuable and effective for criminals after the people are disarmed by gun control laws.
Ditto knife control laws which are common in the US and the UK.

The UK press has confirmed the obvious -- repeatedly:

"Handgun crime soars despite Dunblane ban,By Thomas Harding11 January 2001 • 12:00am"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314245/Handgun-crime-soars-despite-Dunblane-ban.html"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...espite-ban-brought-in-following-Dunblane.html

When will they ever learn?

 

i agree, there is no evidence gun control decreases crime

 

despite what we hear, none of the leaders of the gun control movement are motivated by a desire to reduce crime. Sure they claim that is their goal, and this is needed to get support from low IQ and low information voters to support their schemes. But the real goal-in addition to pander to those people , is to harass their political enemies while not upsetting major Dem constituencies who find "law and order" to be "dog whistles" for "racism"

 

You have clearly been disinformed, but The Inconvenient Truth is not very hard to find.


“She said: “In many areas gun crime has now got worse but police forces are struggling to turn it round because they have lost so many neighbourhood police and are seeing widespread detective shortages after a decade of Conservative cuts to police numbers.
“Labour is calling for urgent national leadership to tackle gun smuggling, a summit to coordinate action against serious violence in all areas and for police to get back into communities.”
THE GUARDIAN, Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales, Exclusive: analysis reveals firearms offences have increased in 29 out of 43 forces over past decade, By Robyn Vinter, Thu 1 Sep 2022 13.00 EDT, Last modified on Fri 2 Sep 2022 00.26 EDT.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ds-of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales


https://academic.oup.com › bjc › advance-article-abstract › doi › 10.1093 › bjc › azad047 › 7264850

How Priority Ordering of Offence Codes Undercounts Gendered Violence ...

Sep 8, 2023However, after recognizing that the rule led to an undercount of crime, in January 2021 the UCR transitioned to the National Incident-Based Reporting System ... Form module of the Crime Survey for England and Wales (called British Crime Survey until 2011/12), deposited to the UK Data Service. Neither


https://theweek.com › gun-violence › 957823 › why-is-gun-crime-on-the-rise

Why is gun crime on the rise? | The Week

Sep 2, 2022published September 02, 2022 Two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales are seeing rising gun crime, according to analysis of Home Office data carried out by The Guardian. Shinzo Abe...

https://theweek.com/gun-violence/957823/why-is-gun-crime-on-the-rise



https://www.independent.co.uk › news › uk › crime › gun-crime-rise-england-wales-b2158892.html

Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and ...

Sep 3, 2022Gun crime has risen in two-thirds of police forces across England and Wales, with one facing a six-fold increase in 10 years. A total of 29 out of 43 police forces have seen an increase in...



https://www.lbc.co.uk › news › gun-crime-rising-lawless-uk

Gun crime rises for two-thirds of police forces as fears of 'lawless UK ...

Sep 2, 2022Two-thirds of police forces across England and Wales have seen rising gun crime, including one facing six times the amount recorded a decade ago. A total of 29 of the 43 forces saw a rise in gun crime in the past 10 years despite an overall 14% drop in the same amount of time. Eight saw the offences

https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-england-47157967

Gun crime highest for a decade for four police forces - BBC News

West Yorkshire Police dealt with 481 incidents of firearms offences, a rise of 10% on the previous year and more than double the figure recorded four years earlier. Bedfordshire Police handled...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11762521 › Firearm-offences-London-soar-2-500-one-year-850-incidents-England-Wales.html

Gun offences in London soar 2,500% in one year ... - Daily Mail Online

Feb 19, 2023Gun crime across England and Wales almost doubled in the space of one year according to shocking new offence statistics which highlighted an astonishing 2533% increase in London alone.. Analysis ...


https://www.mylondon.news › news › uk-world-news › london-overtaken-gun-capital-britain-27608181

London overtaken as UK gun capital after huge surge in Birmingham gang ...

Aug 28, 2023The surge means the West Midlands, with a population of 2.9 million, over takes gun hotspot London, home to 8.8 million where the Met Police, the UK's largest force, logged 1,087 gun crimes in the same period. West Midland's police have dealt with 19 shootings and scores of firearms offences


https://www.mirror.co.uk › news › uk-news › birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714

Birmingham named 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence

Aug 26, 2023The surge has seen the West Midlands, with a population of 2.9 million, overtake previous gun hotspot London, home to 8.8 million and where the Met Police - the country's largest force ...


https://www.actmedical.co.uk › news › knife-and-gun-crime-rates-continue-to-rise

Knife and Gun Crime Rates Continue to Rise — ACT Medical

Apr 12, 2023Incidences of knife and gun crime have been on the rise in recent years. This blog post discusses some key statistics, as well as the factors contributing to the rise and what is being done to address this. ... UK Knife Crime . In England and Wales last year, there were more than 45,000 knife crime


https://news.sky.com › story › recorded-crime-in-england-and-wales-hits-all-time-high-12731343

Violence and rape drive recorded crime to a new high in England and ...

Oct 27, 2022The number of crimes recorded by police in England and Wales has hit an all-time high, with a big increase in violent and sexual offences. A total of 6.5 million crimes were recorded in the 12 months to June, up from the previous record of 6.3 million in the year to March.


https://www.thenationalnews.com › world › uk-news › 2022 › 11 › 29 › double-stabbing-near-regents-park-piles-pressure-on-london-mayor-sadiq-khan

Map reveals scale of violent crime wave in London - The National

Nov 29, 2022Updated: November 30, 2022, 12:10 AM London View from London Nine people have died due to stabbings and shootings in the capital since October 25


https://www.standard.co.uk › news › crime › met-police-murder-2023-trend-crime-homicide-london-crime-b1098346.html

Met Police shocked by trend of 'ferocious' and 'excessively violent ...

Aug 3, 2023News | Crime. Rise in 'ferocious' and 'excessively violent' murders in London, says Met. There have been 65 murders in the capital so far this year, of which six were gun-related and 49 ...


https://www.mylondon.news › news › south-london-news › horrific-81-hours-londons-streets-26234490

Horrific 81 hours of London violence sees 14 people stabbed and 1 shot dead

Feb 14, 2023Horrific 81 hours on London's streets sees 14 people stabbed and 1 shot dead in terrifying crime wave. A number of serious incidents have taken place over a very short period of time. ... A teenager was rushed to hospital after a violent robbery in South West London on Sunday. Police rushed to

 

Your article is 23 years old. I already provided you the stats, which show their murder rate has declined 35% since then, so why do you keep arguing this? There was a spike 23 yrs ago, and you are using that to argue murders went up, and stayed up, when they have declined 35% since -97. Its not an honest argument. Or why are you arguing anything when I already told you I don't support bans.

 

Corrupt criminal justice systems are focused more on covering up crime than catching criminals.

More Inconvenient Truth:

“The public are losing faith in the criminal justice system as police workloads affect outcomes, a report finds
Victims are no longer reporting some crimes to police because so many offenders are never brought to justice.
A new report said the public are losing faith in the criminal justice system and have "rumbled" that police do not have the capacity to investigate.
The constabulary inspector said a suspect was charged in just 7.8% of crimes in England and Wales in the year to March 2019.
The Home Office said action should be taken if forces are not performing.”
BBC, Crimes unreported as public lose faith in police, Analysis by Tom Symonds, home affairs correspondent, 7 February 2020.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51408921

 

Banning Guns causes more gun crime. How else can you explain crime soaring up years after gun bans are imposed?

You should support most people carrying concealed handguns.

“In 1997-98, there were just over 4,900 recorded crimes in England and Wales involving the use of guns, other than air weapons. The figure had climbed to 7,362 for the year ending April 2001. Home Office sources have indicated privately that 2001-02 statistics will show an increase along the same lines as previous years. A regional breakdown of the figures show that gun crime is overwhelmingly an inner-city phenomenon. In 2001-02 guns were used to kill 73 people, half of them in London or Manchester.”
THE INDEPENDENT, 8,000 a year: serious gun crime ***doubles*** under Labour, By Andy McSmith and Sophie Goodchild, 05 January 2003. (*** mine)
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=366560

THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with knife and gun crime rising even more steeply, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

 

Looks like traumatic brain injury was the culprit. The system let this guy down, as it does with so many veterans. I feel bad for him, his family, the victims, and the victims' families. If our government actually gave a ****, this could have been prevented. His family was doing their best to tell authorities he needed help.

 

Instead of our money to Ukraine and other countries, or supporting illegal aliens, we need to support our veterans and help those with mental health issues. The priorities in DC are so out of whack and far removed from their actual job. But, addressing mental health issues and using OUR money for that does not serve agendas.

 

It would be better if we started executing mass murderers quickly instead of making up excuses for them.