Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

I have no idea what you're babbling about. Are you talking about racism or an avatar? You seem confused.

 

I don't really have a problem with it, but that doesn't solve the problem if you don't have a voucher for every kid.

 

We should allow vouchers. However, they can't be a substitite for improving public schools. We shouldn't support a system in which a few kids hit the lottery and the rest lose out on a good education.

 

I agree. I think vouchers will improve regular schools because they will have to compete and they can borrow from succesful education models the vouchers experiment with. Why we don't have public Montessori schools is beyond me but that is an example.

Ok so we all agree here on vouchers and working on the public schools.

What about a "surge" of beat cops patrolling high crime neighborhoods? Any objections?

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...her-percentage-republicans-democrats-voted-ci

On this day in 1965, the 1965 Voting Rights Act was signed into law. Contrary to myth, Republicans supported this law much more than did the Democrats. In the Senate, 94% of Republicans voted in favor, while just 73% of Democrats voted for it. In the U.S. House of Representatives, 82% of Republicans voted in favor, compared to 78% for the Democrats.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2565711/posts

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Written by Republican Senator Everett Dirksen - 94 percent of Senate Republicans voted in favor of the bill versus 73 percent of Democrats. The final vote on the House version - only one Senate Republican voted against it compared to seventeen Democrats.

http://loonybird.com/blacks_democrats.htm

 

I'll condense to simple English: anti-racism to the point of being racism in the reverse direction is a far greater threat to modern society, because people generally recognize open racism as evil. Evil masked as good is always a greater threat than evil in the open.

Don't play dumb. Unless you're preteen there's no misunderstanding "The man in your avatar most certainly did, but that's a story for another day."

 

Are you aware he passed amnesty for over a million non-whites? That worked against Republicans as most of them voted for Barack Obama.

 

Save it for when they claim teddy for the progressives. Them we will discuss his racism.

 

No Frank you take the course, one can indeed hold two people to the standard and then introduce an excuse for the reason one does not produce the same as the other. Moreover there is no reason to think they would take anything and run with it - upon freedom they had nothing of what the white community had, not even a middle and investing class, nor large swathes of land, and they were still under oppression. Youre again merely making things up in your own head to pretend all was well for them when slavery ended.

No the cash crops is part of why Palestine was such a viable opportunity, it had already been built by the arab population they had kicked out or subjugated. Isreal did start the Yom Kippur war, why? Because it was already on Egyptian land, refused to move and was building a new town on it. The Egyptians had no choice and were already invaded - but please tell why it was the Russians that started the Nazi - Soviet war since they had been in retreat until 1942 before deciding to attack.

Their capacity had taken a beating but it still remained, moreover their capacity lies in their education, skills and political self control, as well as control of their own industrial space. All of these they had before during and after the second world war. Africans as you should know, being a continent rather than a country never had any of this thanks to european imperialism, you should know this but clearly you chose to act completely ignorant of the history of the area.

Absolute balderdash, they had much much more than the American blacks for all the reasons Ive mentioned. The blacks had none of this.

No in fact you and your people are an economic burden to them, you control all the land and industry, and you held them back for centuries. You are free to leave also and so you should. They were forced to America and therefore have more right to it then you who was given everything upon arrival. They owe you nothing but contempt.
Represent you country by winning your medals for you, and keeping your international music sales alive. Oh and they chose to stay American rather than fight for their own country in the South they instead literally fought for the USA in Europe - which is more of a sacrifice than you've ever given.

No Frank you get real, Atlanta has the eight largest economy in the world and is a comparable world city, so you're just talking out your rear end because you think it makes you a big man.

You are clearly very poorly read, know very little of economics, history or the problems of the USA.

 

When people spend more effort personalizing their remarks than they ever do substantiating their point of view it's usually because their argument lacks any kind of merit. Your superficial diatribe is case in point. Based on what I've seen so far further demonstrations of your somewhat modest intellectual endowment shouldn't be necessary.

 

It's very popular and trendy to try and put that kind of history into a modern context. Very appealing for people who prefer jerking knees to actual thought.

 

You mean leftists? I agree. They are the worst at that stuff.

 

No, you should really be thinking much closer to home on that point.

 

I wonder if you could possibly use more generic Limbaugh inspired rhetoric?

 

What? About progressive Woodrow Wilson being a racist. He was. Can you name a progressive that doesn't believe in racial discrimination? I can't.

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I agree. He should say "The number of kids growing up in single parent homes in Democrat controlled inner cities is deplorable" or something like that. How is your cultural revolution going by the way? Lots of kids in fatherless homes? Lots of single mothers? Lots of abortion? Lots of of males from single parent households now rotting in jail? Well, I guess you got everything you asked for.

 

Do you ever speak in anything but rhetorical nonsense? Have you ever had a thought that didn't originate with Rush Limbaugh?

 

LOL, what of load of BS johnny, affirmative action is not racial discrimination, that's another Rush Limbaugh inspired line your type have spewed out.

 

Would you stop with the media matters brain scrubbing of yelling "Rush" at everyone on the right. I dont listen to AM radio? No one in my generation has ever listened to AM radio. You lefties are worse then Pavlov's dogs sometimes.

Now, why do you think laws that judge people differently based on race aren't discriminatory? It is your claim, please support it with an argument.

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Hah! See ^ ? Him too? hahahaha. Why can't you people realize you are brain washed yet? Scrubbed clean of original thought! It is like every time you hear "tea party" you scream "koch brothers!" lol..

Well anyway. You like to take people's labor by force, and you discriminate based on race. Glad you moved up from slave masters to tax masters. Well done left. But, will there ever be a day the races can live equally under the law? I know you will never accept it for the classes. Your class struggle hatred and envy is too great. But, maybe one day...equality of the races under the law? Judge people solely by their merit, and not by the color of their skin? I think maybe Rush did have a quote about that one.

 

Johnmayo, I am waiting on you to tell me what do we do about the kids who don't get the school vouchers.

 

All they've done is nothing in comparison to all they are capable of doing - as part of a cooperative society Black and white and every shade of gray.

 

Then I wonder why your actions speak differently than your words? LOL! Another right wing lie with the intent to deceive. The sad thing is that they realize they can't deceive rational people, but they keep saying it over and over again with the huge hopes of it becoming true!

I wonder why the GOP enacted voter registration laws, which affect the poor and "minorities"? You see, when you claim one thing, but do another, it kind of, sort of, just maybe appears that you don't really believe what you pretend to believe! Its just that simple.

 

Voter ID laws affect everyone. The left thinks minorities are incapable of carrying IDs because they are paternalistic racists.

Say, you still believe America needs laws that discriminate on race right? or no? Yes, I am talking about AA.

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I am for universal vouchers. Do you mean what happens when there is excess demand for private schools?

 

Every one who uses racism to explain away all their daily problems and failures.

Blacks votes as a nearly unified voting block for liberals, who uphold and promote that point of view. Large Black support for affirmative action is also proof. EricBEggs says so right here on this board.

70% out of wedlock birthrate to many parents who can't even support themselves, that is out of control.

read some economics, that's another thread and maybe I'll do it

irrelevant to the argument, but if it makes you feel better I have paid a hell of a lot of taxes

ignorant babble as usual, I detailed it on page 53, post #524 of this thread

 

One can always make an excuse for anything, it is quite easy, children do it all the time. Allowing excuses is not holding a standard, if you can't see that self evident truth, then you are hopelessly illogical and not capable of reasoned argument. I am not making up the $500B a year given to blacks today, I am not making up all the educational and affirmative action opportunities, feel free to prove they really are not there. Land has nothing to do with today's service and information economy, nobody is demanding to be a farmer.

Because you have shown yourself illogical, I am not arguing with someone who will blame Isreal no matter what. I'm going with the historical account that Isreal was attacked on Yom Kippur.

Japan was transformed by European imperialism, they embraced it and used it to become western. I just said the true resource is the people, and in 1946 the Japanese simply rebuilt instead of making excuses. There is nothing stopping any nation in sub-sahara Africa from doing the same today. I know you will respond with excuses, but since excuses are cheap and arbitrary, let me just say I can counter your excuses with an endless list of my own. Excuse debates are useless, but I'm afraid that is your currency.

Blacks today have much more than Japanese did in 1945. Education opportunities that most of the world can only dream about. You have not mentioned one single reason why blacks right here and now could not simply start learning and achieving, other than your unprovable excuse. Learning, working, achieving are possible for anyone.

Today's blacks were not enslaved. I could go back far enough in history and find sometime when my ancestors were beaten down, shall I sit here now and make excuses for myself because of that? I pay taxes that go directly to black people, they owe me.

I don't give a crap about the Olympics, and that doesn't pay any of the bills. I am not happy they chose to stay, you make that sound like a virtue. They have fought in all wars in numbers much smaller than their percentage of the population, do some reading. Nobody here fought in WWII, what a dumb point, and whites carried the load as usual.

Atlanta is the eight largest economy in the world? wow, incredibly stupid, show the data.

Atlanta's problems are well documented, try reading once in a while. But I really want to see you prove your above statement.

coming from someone who just called Atlanta the eighth largest economy in the world, that's pretty funny

 

yes it is, it discriminates between people based on race. you are the one spewing bilge