Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

Maybe on another forum, but on this one? Not a chance.

 

I've seen large swaths of Conservatives over the last 12 years, eat-up the extremism of certain Tea Party folk, like Ted Cruz and others.

Again, I say that it is the "influence" of the extremists which makes the real difference. It is obvious.

And that is what reasonable Americans are absolutely catching on to.

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Amen to that!!

 

Once again, you want to bring up what happened both 150 years ago and what happened 60 years ago. As long as you dwell on the past we can never see the present. That stuff happened and I'm truly sorry it did. No one should ever be treated as second class. But I think we have come a long way in changing things and things continue to get better. It's time to let go of the past and look at now and say what can we do to make things even better.

 

I've been trying to persuade you and others to cease DENYING the significance of what happened (even within my relatively short lifetime). But you continue to miss the point.

60 to 150 years ago is as significant as can be. And surely, our discussion of this has reached the stage where it is futile, trying to convince you further of what I've attempted to point out.

Perhaps someone else with more of a will and far better communication skills than myself, will attempt what I've obviously failed to do.

Please excuse the fact that I'm (probably) going to talk right pass what you are trying to communicate, from this point on.
(I don't see where you are willing or capable of acknowledging the realities of American culture.)

 

I think many of us have brought out the changes that has happened in the last 60 years and there have been a lot. Blacks have made giant strides in being excepted in the last 60 years. There have been many laws put in place to help end discrimination in housing, education, jobs and etc. To lift blacks up.

 

I agree with you to a certain extent. How ever, keep in mind that while laws change, attitudes often don't. Hell, look at your own thread. You have some of your fellow conservative brethren arguing that blacks are genetically inferior. This is in your own thread dude. And this is a common belief among social conservatives.

And the truth of the matter is, minorities have equal rights in this country due to liberals. Liberals fought for minority rights, while conservatives fought against it.

 

The current legacy-effects of racism (oppression) in America are profound.

Some seek to deny the same, but there are reasonable and honest Americans who understand and accept the importance and significance of acknowledging the myriad troubles related to various social phenomena. In that, I am encouraged greatly.

 

Very astute and well-said.

 

I guess I don't understand what your trying to get across. You say," cease DENYING the significance of what happened (even within my relatively short lifetime). Have there been some racism, mistreatment of Blacks? Sure there has. I have seen a bunch of it against Whites by Blacks, especially in the last few years. But it's happening by a minority of people and you will always have that minority with us no matter what color your skin is.

 

The best response (summarizing much of what I'm saying) I've seen in awhile is the following:

It's not about tit-for-tat, or Whites did 'X' to Blacks... etc. Those are however, essential COMPONENTS of any discussion such as this.

It is about the "legacy-effects" of racism. And as long as some Americans are UNWILLING or incapable of openly and honestly discussing those components of our history or culture... then the conversations they engage in will be FRUSTRATED by that same unwillingness or denial.

 

Now I can't agree that all Republicans that believe in traditional values, all believe that Blacks are inferior. That is a hell of a blanket statement to make.

 

I never said all, I said a significant amount.

 

Here is another thing I read on this thread that no one seemed to follow up on that contradicts what many Liberals believe and what you said. It's on post 611. I looked up how the vote went and it seems to be true that more Republicans voted for it than Dems did.




During the Kennedy administration, the Republican minority in Congress introduced many bills to protect the constitutional rights of blacks, including a comprehensive new civil rights bill. In February 1963, to head off a return by most blacks to the party of Lincoln, Kennedy abruptly decided to submit to Congress a new civil rights bill. Hastily drafted in a single all-nighter, the Kennedy bill fell well short of what our Party had introduced into Congress the month before. Over the next several months, Democrat racists in Congress geared up for a protracted filibuster against the civil rights bill. The bill was before a committee in the House of Representatives when John Kennedy was murdered in November 1963.

Invoking his slain predecessor, Lyndon Johnson made passage of the bill his top priority and gave the following rationalization to his Racist Cohorts - the speech he made behind closed doors has become public record.



The Civil Rights Act -of 1964 61 percent of Democrats voted for the bill
80 percent of the Republicans voted for the bill

Voting Rights Act of 1965
73 percent of Democrats voted for the bill
94 percent of Republicans voted for the bill

in 1964, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), the Republican Leader in the U.S. Senate, condemned the Democrats’ 57-day filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Leading the Democrats in their opposition to civil rights for African-Americans was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Byrd, who got into politics as a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, spoke against the bill for fourteen straight hours. Democrats still call Robert Byrd “the conscience of the Senate.”

In his speech, Senator Dirksen called on the Democrats to end their filibuster and accept racial equality.

Michael Zak wrote about this in his book Back to Basics for the Republican Party and reminds us that Democrats, the party of Slavery, Secession, Segregation and the KKK… fought against equality.

The degree of Republican support for the two bills actually exceeded the degree of Democratic support, and it's also fair to say that Republicans took leading roles in both measures, even though they had far fewer seats, and thus less power, at the time.

 

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On This Day in 1964, Democrats Filibustered the Civil Rights Act ... For the first time in its history, cloture was invoked on a civil rights bill, ending a ... Nick Scyoc They also voted against the first Civil Rights Act presented in the late 50's.


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Jan 4, 2004 - More REP. voted for the civil rights act than DEMS in 1964. ... the Civil Rights Act. In the Senate, 46 Democrats and 27 Republicans voted for it.

 

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