Life Sentence for Being Gay in Uganda

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    These Gay advocates who preach Eros to the nations children and their comrades in Arms, the Feminists who encourage liberation of Arab women, do not realize that by their behavior they are attacking Islam.

    We can see that this true, when these same people object to religious preaching in public places while sending their daughters to school with Breast implants, tight short skirts, and a license during the 14 years from adolescences until marriage @ age 26, now.
    They walk the Halls of congress and inhabit Public Libraries and every kind of Govt building while the way the talk and dress and act is a lecture in rituals of Sexual Promiscuity of Istar or the Goddess of Lust.

    They are actually blind to their dissemination of Phallic worship into Muslim nations and shocked when Jihad comes back as an answer common once amongst the Hebrew Patriarchs of old.
    They just don't get it, that they have long been bring an ancient form of religion into public buildings and government controlled places, sadly, into our Foreign Relations too.
     
  2. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    The message is clear. Whether it's Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, the 3 desert dogmas tend to be oppressive toward homosexuals.

    It's only through social evolution that societies connected to these religions actually become tolerant. By default, none of them are.
     
  3. dixon76710

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    Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Christianity is critical towards homosexuals and any sinners.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How in the world can you compare followers of the Person who established the foundation of our civilization, and the very society which has you speaking your mind rather than being thrown into a fire to pacify some demon god, to those who suffer moral and personality disorders and do not have the strength to abstain from something which can only cause them bodily harm in the end.

    Obviously you have a lot of self hatred, because you somehow forgot that you are a product of that society with its existent moral boundaries.
     
  5. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The message of the scriptures is NOT clear.
    The church people have been convinced that Christianity is about "being nice," and avoiding hurting other peoples' feelings," while silently tolerating one another without saying things like the duck guys said,...

    Romans 1:27 ...men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men...

    The duck guy said this, and people are still not clear about the constant objection of scripture to sexually promiscuous immorality which causes the extensive Child Abuse we see in the fatherless bastards being born in the millions every year by Single never married young women themselves victims of having mimicked the adult behaviors they saw as they reached adolescence.

    You are not clear on the tragedy and poverty and heart break these young people today are heading for in our own time, as we watch them replay the same things again as have their mothers.

    I post here because it is clear to me, and I work to make this clear to the adult Christians who sit quietly, waiting for the next scene to unfold in the next generation, while say nothing and amass no where but a church on Sunday.
     
  6. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    It's always sad when bad people use good ideas to cause trouble. I am not a religious person at all but know it does far more good than bad. I have seen what it can do firsthand in bringing out the best of a person. Sadly in cass like this it can be used for ... evil I guess I'll call it.

    I'm confused, aren't we to understand its "Islamic extremists" that cause the problem and not Islam in general?

    Why the hypocrisy here? These people sound pretty extreme....

    I believe both are true, Christianity techies good things, Islam preaches good things, the idea is to be a good person.

    Just be fair people, that's all. We get enough professional propaganda, we don't need It from each other.
     
  7. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    You are confused.
    Most Christians are also confused enough to agree with you, "the idea is to be a good person."

    The idea is not to be focused on "being a good person."

    2.Mark 10:18
    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


    The idea of being Christian is that one is willing to blow the whistle on harmful behaviors which people are openly and usually blindly practicing, especial when those people will kill you for telling them the truth.

    We become enablers and false shepherds when we see Gays and Feminists sexualizing the whole younger generation and say nothing because we want to "be good to everyone," and not "make waves", and "tolerate one another" and "be nice."

    We are Christians when we say The Emperor has no Clothes on.
    We are Christians when we are hated for making statements that criticize Gay Pride Marches down the street of Jerusalem in front the children in the whole Muslim world.
    We are Christians when we say Welfare benefits seduce the Black Community into broken families of single mothers raising fatherless children that become the criminal element and suffer every form of abuse thereafter.

    We are Christians when we explain these things in our churches and to the people we know and in front of groups and at social functions and when interviewed on TV, because we telling the Truth.


    "Jesus said, I am the Truth and the way and the life," and "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
     
  8. Draco

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    Feel free to quote away, but the religious people I talk to, the pope and even the twice a year sermon I go with my mom to to make her happy, all disagree.

    For the most part what I see is becoming a better person to yourself and those around you. Even as Mr. Duck Dynasty dude said, love even all sinners.

    I know you prolly have a list of quotes to this type of debate, so I will just leave it at that.

    Most people I know who are heavily religious are "better" than those who are not. More generous, charitable, kind, friendly and open.

    I personally don't need that type if drive or guidance or whatever it is they get. However the numbers are right in front of me
     
  9. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe so but here we are not talking about Indonesia but Uganda.

    We do not need to use unfounded opinions as we are fortunate to have a report of massive research done in Uganda, Kenya and Nigeria here - all chosen because they had British colonisation in common, they all speak English and they all have strong histories of Christian missionaries from the west and social witness programs.

    http://www.politicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/10/Colonizing-African-Values.pdf

    We do not need to go just by our opinions. There is a wealth of evidence on what has and is going on.


    Can't really remember. Something to do with red post boxes and the influence of the Brit's. You are diminishing the main criteria for their position
    . There is no 'apart' in this. US Conservatives are using strong anti colonial and imperialist views in Africa for their own imperialist ends. They are claiming that LGBT is an aberration and that Progressive Christian's work to ensure equality for such people is itself an attempt by them at neo Imperialism - to destroy Africa with what they dishonestly claim are the dangers of homosexuality. You could check out some of the myths here

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths
    You are totally missing what is going on. Yes, we can see that that has influenced them but that is not what is going on now. What is going on now is a concerted effort by American Conservatives to destroy the religious and political influence of Western Progressive Christians.

    The belief that they had no homosexuals before the British arrived with their buggery laws which depending on the time they were there had a death sentence, can certainly be misused to deceptively encourage them to believe that they never had homosexuality before the Brits arrived. However there is plenty of evidence that this is not true from Bushman's drawings to old papers. Here we can see the Conservatives manipulating the truth to deceive the people. Until they do their own research into LGBT they are going to be none the wiser. In the meantime US Conservative funders gain control of religious and political thinkers by what they broadcast, their control over educational facilities and their bribery.

    Jeffrey Marishane

    http://www.publiceye.org/publicatio...frica-full-report.pdf#page=10&zoom=auto,0,594

    They also distort issues. For example African's believe they are Evangelicals but by that they think simply doctrinally orthodox. They are totally unaware of the political and social conservatism of these people. They accuse mainline churches of threatening family values. Across Africa people understand family as fundamental to identity. The African word for family is summed up in the word 'ubuntu' the concept that people are truly human only when they affirm the humanity of others. The concept I think therefore I am has no meaning in Africa. People can only say, I am because we are and since we are, I am'.

    People cannot know about that which they have not freely investigated. The Conservatives have cleverly manipulated understandable post colonial attitudes to brainwash people with their anti rights, anti liberation agenda.

    http://www.publiceye.org/publicatio...frica-full-report.pdf#page=10&zoom=auto,0,594
    You know nothing of their work against Apartheid. You know nothing about their work on hiv/ aids. You know nothing about their work for education for everyone, for heath care world wide, you know nothing about their work against colonisation and imperialism, you know nothing about their work for equal rights regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. Clearly you know very little on the subject you are talking about.

    Let's deal with the subject matter. The indoctrination on Africa by American conservatives who claim that American Progressive Christians are terrorists, marxist and neo colonialists in order that they can have control of their political and religious thinking, promoting their extremist views like for instance the death penalty for homosexuality and eventually managing through the numbers of Christians in Africa to control Western Christianity, yes, through their cruelty to gays but also and as importantly against the work which progressive Christians have through social witness to put social justice in this world. This can most easily be seen through their work on Apartheid. They clearly were viewed as a powerful opponent for the capitalist political elite and that, more than anything else is what this is about.
     
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    homosexuals are an aberration. They constitute approx. 1% of the earth's population. That's an aberration.
     
  11. DrewBedson

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    Bit more than that;

    In the US, 2% are absolute confirmed homosexuals living together so the number of those who are not living together but are attracted to others of the same sex must be higher. Study says 37% have had homosexual desires and 20% acted upon them so at what point is one a homosexual in societies view.
     
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    even if I give credit to this study, they are still an aberration. I don't believe that just because it crosses a mind that it constitutes "gay activity".
    So at what point? The actual continued practiced lifestyle and kicking it down the heterosexual community's throat as a God Blessed right.
    Oh, I forgot, it is easier to deny God to pick a life of deceit and decadence. See how easy that is? Deny God and you can do anything. No soul to destroy......
    If the gays and Libs are right and there is no God, then I lose nothing when I die, but if I'm right.................... they lose everything.......
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A Western Aberration created by neo imperialist Christians to harm Africa. Why just Western when there is evidence of them in africa from antiquity? What is more there is evidence of their inclusion among the ubuntu.

    Ah, crossed your mind a few times has it?

    You have no right to interfere in the life choices of another provided that person causes no harm. LGBT cause no more harm than any other people which is why the neo con's and people like Scott Lively have been presenting lies to the people of Africa.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

    or his insane holocaust revisionist theory that gays were to blame.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/scott-lively


    If your god wants to murder people because of their sexual orientation and calls upon you to go forth and spread slander which arouses people to hate and acts of violence and the gang raping of Lesbians, then your god is a demonic one.

    Dear dear, I should be feeling sorry for you. You believe that all LGBT are identical in the thought process. You have stereotyped them completely just like people do with any people they seek to oppress. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but many LGBT are Christians

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_LGBT_Christian_clergy
     
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    I wouldn't call two out of every person you know and are related to an 'aberration.'

    Either would I however I certainly would the one third who actually do take action.

    I dunno, french kissing on the couch?

    I take it you refer to the few who strut about like morons in gay pride parades. The other 99% of humanity that are homosexuals probably escape your detection as you are looking for somebody that looks like Dr Frankenfurter rather than your Uncle Fred, widowed mother, kid sister or Aunt Mary.

    A fundamentalist. Is the world only six thousand years old?

    Pascal's wager. I agree, it is a very valid argument and, with all things being equal without any other religion thrown into the mix, makes sense.:thumbsup:
     
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    And defining actions that involve consenting adults as "sin" is rather illogical.

    Religion has the problem of minding the personal business of others far too much. I would figure anyone who appreciates smaller government would also appreciate not having an omnipotent "big brother" to kneel to.
     
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    Well, at least you're upfront about your fanaticism.
     
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    It's not about defining actions that involve consenting adults, but rather the necessity of forming a moral standpoint concerning the issue of sex (regardless if its consensual or not).
     
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    As I said to a previous poster- my post was originally intended to be ironic- a satire of your anti-gay rant. But.......with your follow up post.....a little less ironic......closer and closer to the reality here on PF

    Christians are their own worse enemy. I have met some very nice Christians, and cannot imagine how anyone could treat them badly, but then reading some of these posts and the way they try to impose their life style and obsessions with faith on others, rather than recognizing their own moral weakness, makes me realize why nations do not want anything to do with them.

    If you can't take the heat- don't stand near the stove.
     
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    Perhaps, but for me, the only moral components are consent and commitment.

    Assuming there's no cheating involved, I don't think any combination of multiple adults having sex is immoral.

    If we look at the historical reasons for why things like homosexuality were often shunned, it was because sex was originally seen as merely a means of procreation in the past.

    Thankfully, society has evolved past that, but some people apparently cling to the old ways.
     
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    Wow, that is tough.
    Anyway, it is their country and their choises.
     
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    It's amazing! Homosexuals are being sentencing to life and executed in foreign countries, but homosexuals here believe they are persecuted because some guy on a reality show quotes the Bible.
     
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    But for procreation, there wouldn't have been any need for morality or government to even be concerned. Orgasms don't give rise to societal concern, the birth of children do.
     
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    Sure, but you'll notice that a lot of religious people fixate on the whole premarital sex thing.
     
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    And they would be a tiny minority of people with some serious sexual hangups. Its a shame that they attempt to impose their archaic concepts on the nation thereby exacerbating all kinds of social problems.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17236611

     

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