Like or hate Trump

If you are going to call others liars the least you can do is comprehend what is being said. Otherwise you just embarrass yourself (if that’s even possible)

 

If you DON'T believe it then you are willfully blind.

 

Trump is a punk, a liar and a coward who began the dishonorable abandonment of our Afghan allies and saw his dishonor joined by Biden.

 

And still can't stand him personally and wish he'd go away and not run again. Supported his policies for the most part.

 

So you are going to double down on your fantasy?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

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After stepping down from Bain Capital and his local leadership role in the LDS Church, Romney was the Republican nominee in the 1994 United States Senate election in Massachusetts. After losing to five-term incumbent Ted Kennedy, he resumed his position at Bain Capital. Years later, a successful stint as president and CEO of the then-struggling Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics led to a relaunch of his political career. Elected governor of Massachusetts in 2002, Romney helped develop and later signed a health care reform law (commonly called "Romneycare") that provided near-universal health insurance access through state-level subsidies and individual mandates to purchase insurance. He also presided over the elimination of a projected $1.2–1.5 billion deficit through a combination of spending cuts, increased fees, and closing corporate tax loopholes. He did not seek reelection in 2006, focusing instead on his campaign for the Republican nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, ultimately losing the nomination to Senator John McCain. He ran for and won the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, becoming the first Mormon to be a major party's nominee. He lost the election to President Obama.
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So Mitt was voting on these resolutions from the MA Governor's mansion, and later from his Utah living room? Did members on the 2002 Winter Olympics Organizing Committee, also get a vote, on the Iraq War?

Like I said-- a waste of time trying to have a reasonable discussion, with someone who obviously prefers to believe fabricated ideas, over the truth.

 

Ummmmmmmmmm, that would be democrats who call everyone on the opposing side racists and deplorables.

 

Then he entered the senate and became a close ally of the late John McCain and other Neocons.

 

I would cheerfully take Vivek or Desantis or any one that isn't in bed with the Neocons.

 

Nope just better informed than most or at least less misinformed.

 

Not even close.

Anyone who has read the indictments against him can easily see that he is a threat.

Anyone who says he is not a threat either has not read the indictments or refuses to be objective about what they say.

 

This is exasperating, needing to explain such simple ideas-- all the more so, because as recent experience has shown, when I, nevertheless, put in the effort to earnestly explain things, which should be obvious, to someone whose comments show that it is not obvious to him, I risk having that post interpreted as "ridiculing" the other poster, and being deleted (so all that time and trouble, down the drain).

But, here goes. You had been explaining the reasoning behind why people voted for a 2nd Obama term, after-- in your narrative-- he'd done such an awful job, in his first term. So your implication was that if the Republican Party had offered an even half-decent, or maybe just a quarter-decent candidate, the citizenry would have elected him (or her) in a landslide. Are you still with me? But, instead, the Republicans offered someone who favored cheap labor, and was a "war mongering asshat." Right-- that was, and apparently still is, your claim? And your evidence that this is how the electorate viewed things, are votes in Congress, taken by Romney, AFTER that election? So, people were using future events, in their deciding to stick with Obama, in 2112?


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They voted for Obama in the great good hope that we could finally put the specter of racist asshattery in the review mirror once and for all and got a president who threw fire on every incident that involved black and white even when the 'white guy' wasn't white and the black guy was clearly in the wrong. They voted for Obama again because in stead of a change agent the America people wanted desperately the Republicans ran another cheap labor war mongering asshat and lost again as they deserved...
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I mean, there are many other disqualifying arguments, against this patently false narrative of yours. But that I need to start, by explaining to you that anything that happened subsequent to the 2112 election, obviously is irrelevant to the reasoning behind how any of the voters-- other than those who could foresee the future-- cast their 2112 ballots.



EDIT: Let me include one more very simplistic explanation, which seems to have eluded your consideration. Mitt Romney was not selected behind closed doors, by a small group of "neocon" kingmakers-- he was chosen by Republican Primary voters. If he was such a terrible choice, and the public was so ready to dump Obama, why didn't those Republican voters, choose someone else? They chose the person they judged to be the best of the bunch, or at least the one they figured was most electable (because of opinions, outside of the far Right).

 

BRAVO!!!! excellent post with superb REALITY based questions that are not being addressed at all.........with any substance .
Trumpsters seem soobsessed with whether Trump is liked or hated. That kind of binary thinking is fruitless.
If Trumps BEST has been putting an end to some dynasties, IIF that is an achievement to begin with, then He has accomplished very little in the positive column. And whatever it might have been has been seriously clou8ded over by his legal issues, and problematic behavior ( verbal and other wise) His cult has changed the values and standards of what was a conservative party. Because of Trump the R party has no solid anchor. It has adopted the persona of Donald. The dominance of this one man is a path to authoritarianism. It happens slowly and with the select populations consent / approval.

 

That’s the beauty of being Aristophanes…. a comic by satire? Perhaps…. He was also considered to have abilities of deep thought and was included in meetings of great minds of the times.

Did he keep some folks guessing if he was serious or not? Yep. Did he make some folks think a little deeper? Yep. Me??…. I’ll keep some of ya guessing.

 

I can't think of a single policy Republicans have put forward on an important issue.

 

Based.

 

would you itemize some of the ideas that you are "loyal" to?? Thx.

 

I gather that’s a compliment, but please…. I’m trying to be a humble man.

 

It is certainly a compliment. You seem to be doing your namesake proud. It is okay to take some pride in that.

 

Nor can I.. And I have tried to see it from their point of view and still can't.
Mind you..the original R's did have their own "values' that they touted, but all that went down the sewer when Trump got elected. The R rule book was discarded for simpler and more obvious things and priorities. Power and money became paramount. No longer was the populations and it's needs a priority. There was lip service to making this country great...........but that is where it ended. Which is no surprise as T is a a pathological liar.

 

Was he stage-shy? Curious, because I am.

 

He was hardly shy about his positions, often writing plays that mocked the Spartans while the Spartans were in control of Athens, but I don't think he was ever on stage himself. And being stage shy is pretty much the most common fear people have. I've seen studies saying that people are more scared of public speaking than they are of death.

 

And yet, on Jan 6th, quite a few of them lived up to those names, followed up by those who dismissed it as just a tourist thingy.

 

Well, PNAC was one, but that was over 20 years ago.

And I should add, it took 20 years to kinda sort-a-get-over-it.

 

It was just a tourist thingy? That’s a new one for me. But then I suppose they could just say they were site seeing.

 

No one said he was not selected by primary voters. The fact however is that all of the neocons gave him their endorsement and the donors saw to it that no one else had the financial chops to mount and effective challenge. By the way they had planned to use the same sort of Gimmick to anoint Jeb in 2016