Like or hate Trump

His election resulted in three good things for which the world ought to thank him but almost certainly never will.
1, the end of the Bush dynasty.
2. The end of the Clinton dynasty
3, The beginning of the end of the neocon establishment in the republican party.

All of them are little more than self serving hypocrites whose last new idea wasn't even there own and predates WWII.

 

You forgot number 4; that Trump will be remembered for starting the 2nd American Civil War.

 

It is not entirely clear, what is your thread's central focus. What I mean, is that it is certainly reasonable for some to interpret your thread title to have merely neglected to have included a question mark-- typographical errors, on the forum, particularly involving punctuation, are far from unusual occurrences-- and so see your OP as an argument for not "hating," (& perhaps even for loving) Trump. I would guess, however, that a more accurate translation of your intent is, "Whether you love Trump, or hate him, these are things which cannot be denied, though they often go unappreciated..." thereby making your focus, not our personal feelings about Trump, but rather, our view on the three accomplishments you list. I will, nevertheless, address both possibilities, since doing so should take no more space, than the foregoing explanation.

I see Trump as a real threat, to our freedom, and our governing system; but I feel no "hatred," for the man. I personally do know people who cannot think of Trump, without feeling hatred for him. But for whatever reason, that is not how my psyche operates, in regard to the former President. I often find myself laughing at the preposterousness of his statements. And I can even acknowledge, those occasions on which I think he has a valid point. This has, in the past, led to one of the Trump haters in my life, accusing me of supporting Trump; but this charge was nothing but an emotional reaction, an irrational manifestation of her unchecked hatred for Trump.

As to your 3 contentions: it offers no reason for celebration, if one's infestation of vermin is resolved, by the home's being overrun with poisonous vipers.

 

Advantages of being exposed to toxic levels of radiation:

1. Weight loss.

2. Money saved, on haircuts.

3. Spared the hassle, of needing to shave.

 

Sorry wrong attribution that would be Democrats...

 

Sorry but if you believe Trump is the primary or even a close second threat to freedom in this country you are willfully blind.

 

Sorry wrong thread....

 

But the vipers have a d after their name,

 

These two scenarios I depict, are meant as analogs to the one you present, by citing 3 redeeming accomplishments of Trump's, in your opinion. So I was comparing those, being a recommendation for Trump, with, for example, the weight loss boon, one receives, accompanying an overdose of radiation. IOW: not worth it. The negatives, outweigh your supposed positives. As a nation, we were nowhere near as divided, in 2015, as we are today. If you think that Trump did not play-- and is not still playing-- a central role in that development, then it is you, who is "willfully blind."

 

His election resulted in three to a large power of bad, bad, BAD things for which the world ought to SHUN him but seems his core MAGrates never will. Who could do them all, here are three.
1, the end absolute end of the united Americans. He replaced it with a level of divisiveness Newt Gingrich and Pat Robinson never even dreamed of
2. The end of MAGrate respect for OUR Government, it's Constitution and ALL of the agencies we've relied on for so long to help build the GREATEST Nation the world has ever known.
3, The beginning of the end of the republican party.

All of the TRAITOR tRump followers are little more than self serving hypocrites whose last new idea, wait ... ?IDEA? Wasn't even their own and came from FAUX news, Blightfart or some other LoneyQ "news" outlet.

 

Note Trump didn't do anything other than provide and alternative to the unholy trio. And please note we were every bit as divided it simply just didn't become obvious until an alternative showed up. Americans had been voting for change at every opportunity since 1992 and they had not got enough to matter. They voted for Bush in 2000 because they were sick of slick willie. They voted for Bush again because if you look up self righteous, smarmy dumb and insincere you get John Kerry and he does it in a voice that just naturally pisses normal people off.

They voted for Obama in the great good hope that we could finally put the specter of racist asshattery in the review mirror once and for all and got a president who threw fire on every incident that involved black and white even when the 'white guy' wasn't white and the black guy was clearly in the wrong. They voted for Obama again because in stead of a change agent the America people wanted desperately the Republicans ran another cheap labor war mongering asshat and lost again as they deserved. So in 2016 trump ran as a agent of change beating first the same damn fool coalition of Neocons and Bushies who had been running the party into the ground for forty years and then put a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine that created a dossier of lies to try to destroy him. In 2018 forty odd house neocons resign rather then help create the change for which the American people had been clamoring for more then 2 decades. The Reps lost almost all of those neocon seats because all the previous occupants had dynamited what good will the republicans had created by caving to Dims on nearly every issue except tax cuts.

 

I say we begin by removing Reagan's name from building and the airport in DC! That'll show 'em that you mean business.

 

It signaled the start of Trumpism which is worse than all three on your list

 

Jeb Bush ended any possibly continuance of a Bush dynasty.
Hillary with her nastiness and beliefs ended any perceived Clinton dynasty

 

Don’t give him too much credit… talk of a 2nd American Civil War is way overrated in some circles, and it’s usually promoted by those wishing to divide the good old USA, not by the likes of Trump with intentions of empowering Americans on the level that’s outlined in our Constitution.

 

Okay - Maybe Trump just wants to make America great again. He and Martin Luther King have something in common; they both had a dream.

 

You're talking about the Kool Aid.

 

I have a difficult time trying to come up with anything to support about this "man".

 

Trump's dream was power. And he was willing to tear apart our country for it. Then again, maybe your username is an indication that you are being comedic, since your namesake is one of the greatest humorists of all time. The Birds is a personal favorite of mine.

 

And BTW, Trump has never read the Constitution.

 

My bet:

Before Trump, you voted enthusiastically for GWB and all the other neocon GOP establishment.

 

Yep, because the best candidate the Democrats have nominated since John F. Kennedy was Bill Clinton. Over that time the Democrats dug up Lyndon Johnson, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Mike DuKakis, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Joe Bide. Everyone of them were abysmal candidates.

 

Sorry, but those that know him better than you think otherwise.
The best thing you could do for your country is follow her advice.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/15/trump-lawyer-jenna-ellis

 

You forgot number 4, the end of traditional conservatism in the Republican Party. Trump, the 7 time party switcher has adopted the political philosophy of the party he belonged to at the time. But with the GOP today, traditional conservatism has been thrown out the window onto the trash heap of history. It’s the man the Republicans party is following today, not a political ideology or philosophy. It boils down to the Democrats with their liberal and progressive ideology vs. the Republican Party who follows a man without a political philosophy. At least the democrats do have a political ideology their pushing, not just a man, an individual, a person devoid of a political ideology.

 

Can you name the political leader that retweeted “the only good <members of the opposing party> is a dead one”?

Or the one telling their base to fight or they won’t have a country that represents them after losing an election in a landslide?

Or the one that stated they would pay the legal bills of anyone who attacks their opponents?


I’ll not wait while you refuse to answer