Liz Cheney could be a weapon of mass destruction

If she runs in the Republican primary she will be quickly disposed of. Percentages won't mean a damn thing. I think her plan is if Trump wins the primary and is the nominee then she would run as an independent and hopefully trickle enough votes away from Trump to elect whoever the Democratic nominee is. But, I don't really see that working. I don't see Biden being able to run again due to his age and obvious dementia so the democratic nominee will probably be someone further left than what Biden was supposed to be. In other words, neither Independents or Republicans will want to see a democratic socialist elected president so voting for Cheney is probably not going to happen.

Another food for thought though, apparently even Cheney herself believes that the Jan 6th committee, the DOJ, and the FBI will not be able to get Trump. Maybe because as disgusting as Trump is, and no matter how much he claims the election was stolen, he really didn't do anything that was actually illegal, which will make all of this stuff look like the partisan kangaroo investigation that it was. If Cheney actually believed they would get Trump she would have no reason to go down this path, of which even she admits is all about stopping Trump from being president again.

 

She should do that AFTER the Primaries

 

He fraudulently organized the overturn of the election with fake electors in different states.

In addition to having incited the MAGA to violence.

 

[QUOTE="FreshAir, post: 1073669065, member: 58375"]many dems would register as republicans for the primaries if Trump ran... to vote for Cheney

cause anyone is better than the Orange Stain, we would not care[/QUOTE]

I intend to

 

No, there is hardly any competition in independent primaries.

 

What people? Is she gonna run as and independent? You're overlooking the entire campaign and primary process. If she runs as a Republican Trump wins every primary and she's a has been. If she tries a third party candidate she has to qualify for ballot in each state.

 

Inflation ending and the Republicans attacking Health Care and Social Security are two things I predict, and either will just about guarantee a Biden win.

 

Ross Perot got over 8 million votes. If Cheney gets 8 million, most of them will be from those who normally vote GOP. It would absolutely doom a GOP candidate.

PS Clinton won by about 8 million votes so if Perot votes had gone to Dole, it would have been very close (some would have gone to Clinton, so he probably would have won anyway but it would have been closer).

 

So the Democrats that will support Cheney will not rally behind Trump… that’s a no brainer…

 

If she runs for the GOP, she will have exposure.

Her message will be heard.

And she only needs a small percentage of supporters to hurt Trump badly.

That's the point.

 

2024 Presidential Election Returns

Donald Trump 73,000,000 Republican
Elizabeth Cheney 4,000,000 Independent
Joseph Biden 76,000,000 Democrat

 

There is no such thing as an independent primary.

 

Right, so how would she run out of money and fail the primaries, when all she has to so is qualify for the ballot?

Yep. Something like that.

 

For sake of argument, let's assume that Cheney does in fact garner 4 million votes as you assert.

Sincere questions...

-What makes you so sure that her 4 million votes would be taken away from Trump? In other words, how do you know that they are not never Trumpers who would have never voted for Trump but very well may have otherwise voted against Trump by casting a ballot for Biden, thus taking away what would have otherwise been a vote for Biden?

-For that matter, common sense would dictate that the population of never-Trumpers would by their very name never vote for Trump. Being Republicans that would never vote for trump they would in fact be very likely to vote for Cheney. With that being the case, how exactly does that Cheney vote hurt Trump?

-What about independents who might vote for Cheney. How do you know they wouldnt have otherwise voted for Biden?

 

I think she could also rally some independents who are now unhappy with this administration but voted for Biden in 2020, thinking he'd be moderate. So she could also pull some voters who were Biden voters last time around. Overall, I'm thinking a 3rd party run by her could have minimal or maybe about equal impact to both parties.

 

My comment was in response to the premise of the OP where she theoretically had Cheney running in the Republican primaries.

 

Liz will run as an R, no doubt, just enough to shut the serial whiner up and make darn sure he couldn't win the nomination of the nutcase party with any real ease. As a national candidate, I could support a ticket with her on it as well as another true conservative R or a D. It will show the country that governing is why they get into the WH and Congress and can be done from both sides of the aisle.

 

DeSantis is definitely Trump's biggest challenge. I suppose if Cheney were to run as a Republican and not 3rd party, that could potentially help the DeSantis position a bit. I suspect she'd potentially take more votes away from Trump than she would potentially take from DeSantis - in a primary scenario.

 

She lost a primary in her home state that's commandingly Republican. He chances of party support in next to nil. That's the point.

 

No independent will vote for Cheney.

She voted 96% for Trump's policies.

She is a pure conservative.

 

Sure they would, but the re-register tactic (Dem to GOP) didn't do a thing to help her in Wyoming. She had a loss of historical proportions despite her big campaign push to convince Dems to re-register to help her out.

 

Independents, by definition, are apt to vote for Conservatives or Liberals. They can go either way.

If they only vote in one direction, they are not an independent.

 

First of all my post was a counter "joke" to Big Richard's post #21. There's no way of knowing precisely what will happen in 24, those numbers were just made up to make a point. The point being that Liz Cheney could, feasibly, have the last laugh as a spoiler in 2024; just as George Wallace was a spoiler in 72 when Wallace took enough votes from McGovern to make Nixon President. It happened in 72, it "can" happen again; so tRaitor tRump could end up smiling out of the other side of his mouth ... well ... no I don't think he would smile.

 

The theoretical numbers are irrelevant, and whether it was a joke or not, there are many people that express that viewpoint that are not joking. In this particular instance, it is truly difficult/impossible to determine which side she would help or hurt.

The points I brought up are very salient. It is hard to gather exactly what side her candidacy would hurt. It is not clear at all. My position, even if we were to pretend like she would make it into the general election which is a GIGANTIC stretch, is that her running would be insignificant. It would be unclear which side would benefit however small that benefit would be.

Personally, I would not be bothered by her running even slightly. I think it would be humorous, I do not think she would last very long, and if somehow she made it into the general, I think her impact would be negligible at best.