Liz Cheney could be a weapon of mass destruction

Trump could trump Cheney by not running, ruining her chances of declaring "victory" in preventing him from ever holding the keys to the WH. She would pout about it, but if Trump backs someone who supports him that eventually wins, she'll just go after that person for fear of the influence Trump might have over whoever it is. She won't be happy until Trump is dead.

 

I agree an independent with even a slightly liberal lean would never vote for her. But Biden, in 2020, probably pulled independents who really were smack in the middle or even a slight bit to the right of center - but those among that group who really disliked Trump. Now that they might not view Biden to be the moderate uniter they hoped for when they placed that 2020 vote, they might be unwilling to vote for Biden (or Harris or Newsom) in 2024. That particular group of 2020 Biden voters might still hate Trump but find Cheney as someone who would implement different policy than the current administration does.

 

Cheney received 29% of the vote in the Wyoming primary.

Convincing only 5% of all Republicans not to support Trump is a very achievable goal.

 

Independents vote for moderate candidates.

Trump is not one of them. Neither is Cheney.

 

You're being pedantic; I said the numbers were just made up and have no relevance to reality and were only an example of what could happen. Though my post was a counter to Big Richard's, it's no joke that Cheney becoming a spoiler in 24 is a real possibility.

I disagree that it's a any kind of "stretch" at all that Representative Cheney could make it into the General Election Contest in 24; all you have to do is look back at the last few elections and see the 8 balls that did make it as 3rd party candidates or independents. And of course, even if she does, anything could happen.

For someone "that wouldn't be bothered" if she runs, you're sure running this topic into the ground.

 

I don't think that will happen. I think Trump has every intention of running.

 

Thats not necessarily true.

They vote one way or the other, and rarely is there even a moderate candidate to choose from. The two most moderate candidates in recent Presidential history were undeniably John Mcain and Mitt Romney, and its not like they garnered all or even a preponderance of the independent votes.

Independents are primarily people without strong political convictions that vote for people that they like the cut of their jib. I would even argue that most of them do not have strong convictions because they do not pay much attention to politics, do not care about politics, and also are not that knowledgable one way or the other. There are plenty of exceptions to this, but amongst the wide swath of the electorate that does not pay attention or care about politics which is a huge number of people, they are all independents. Their vote sways with the wind. To pretend like they never vote for a full throated Conservative or Liberal is simply not true. They do so all the time.

 

Almost a certainty since the Democrats screwed the pooch on raiding his home increasing his popularity. Nothing fires Trump up more than polls in his favor. I was just saying what I would advise him to do if I had access to him. Of course, it's doubtful he would listen to me. Few do.

 

IF, and it's getting more and more likely, tRaitor tRump doesn't run in 24 Rep. Cheney would be perfectly happy with that result. She views him as a danger to the Republic that should never be allowed to hold the reins of power again. I think it would depend on who tRaitor tRump supports in his place, if that happened, whether Rep. Cheney would care. If she viewed him as dangerous to the Republic as tRaitor tRump, yes she would actively work against him/her. A lot of people will be ecstatic when tRaitor tRump meets his end. I think, like me, if asked if I (she) despised tRaitor tRump I (she) would respond: "If I thought about him I would".

 

Elegance fighting she has the greatest chance she ever will so long as she's the only one running.

 

Pedantic? For crying out loud, I stipulated that we could use YOUR numbers. Whatever that number may be is wholly irrelevant and I said as much. As such, my position could not possibly be LESS pedantic.

Yes, in an imaginary world we could envision a scenario where Cheney were a spoiler. The thing is, it is not clear for which side she would be a spoiler ( which was the sole predicate of my post). I pointed out those reasons already of course, but you chose to ignore them and focus on saying that you were only joking.

If you would like to go back and respond to the reasons I already provided why it is unclear whom she would help, we may salvage a productive conversation out of this yet. If you think it would help Biden, then provide your reasoning as to why you think that way.

If not, I have no interest in bickering over literally nothing.

 

So, you agree with me that her hatred of Trump knows no boundaries.

 

So is the hatred of dozens of millions of Americans.

Are you so intoxicated by your love of Trump that you cannot conceive that he is hated by the vast majority of voters?

 

I think she is completely taken over by her hatred of Trump and her mission to try to destroy him.

 

Thanks for your opinion but even Liz Cheney seems to think Trump will still be running in 2024.

 

Yes, pedantic. You're the one that won't let this go; I told you from the first that it was originally meant as a counter joke; even bIg Richard hasn't responded to. No, you stipulated my numbers were meaningless in the real world and I agreed. You couldn't be MORE pedantic.

In the very real world Rep. Cheney could be a spoiler and I would disagree that it wouldn't hurt tRaitor tRump if that's how it turned out. Her running wouldn't pull one democrat vote or liberal independent away from whomever the Democrat contender is, so that leaves real Republican's that don't like tRaitor tRump and independents that might vote for him.

I agree, I'm done responding to your nonsense.

 

I really don’t care.

 

Hatred can consume a person.

 

No, "I" don't think she gives a small **** about tRaitor tRump beyond his very serious threat to our Republic. Like me, if he were out of the political picture she wouldn't give him a thought.

 

My goodness you seem so angry...

Im not sure why it took you so long to respond to the actual predicate, but now that you have, we can put my prior input with yours above, and the reader can decide for themselves whom made the more intelligent/persuasive argument. As eloquent as you are above, I happen to think my position is far more persuasive, but we can let the reader decide for themselves....

-What makes you so sure that her 4 million votes(the number is irrelevant) would be taken away from Trump? In other words, how do you know that they are not never Trumpers who would have never voted for Trump but very well may have otherwise voted against Trump by casting a ballot for Biden, thus taking away what would have otherwise been a vote for Biden?

-For that matter, common sense would dictate that the population of never-Trumpers would by their very name never vote for Trump. Being Republicans that would never vote for trump they would in fact be very likely to vote for Cheney. With that being the case, how exactly does that Cheney vote hurt Trump?

-What about independents who might vote for Cheney. How do you know they wouldn't have otherwise voted for Biden?

 

I'll call Bullshit on that one!

As your hatred of the "left" (ambiguous as that concept is) has obviously consumed you.

 

Hint - when I I'm no longer reading your posts in the thread.

 

Even if he doesn’t run he won’t be out of the political picture. There are those that look like him.

 

Hint - I dont care.

Others read it, and that is what matters. I will steadfastly make my point, no matter how much you stammer your feet and hold your breath in a childlike manner.

Plus, if I were a betting man, my money says you will read the short reply regardless of what you claim. Either way, my toes are still tapping.

 

Enjoy the rest of the day.