Lock Him Up? A New Poll Has Some Bad News For Trump.

The following, recent poll, casts much doubt, on the Great White Trump:

1) About half the country, believes Trump is guilty of his indicted crimes.

2) About five-eighths of the population, believe Trump should be tried for those crimes, before the election.

3) A guilty verdict, would cripple Trump's appeal, to Independents.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/25/ipsos-poll-trump-indictment-00112755


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...There was a predictable partisan split among Democrats and Republicans, with nearly 90 percent of Democratic respondents seeking an early trial date and roughly a third of Republican respondents agreeing.

It was the reaction of independents, however, that may prove most ominous for Trump. Nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of independents said that Trump should stand trial before next November — a figure that suggests particular interest in and attentiveness to a case that effectively alleges that Trump tried to steal the last election. By way of a rough comparison, when we asked a similar question in June following Trump’s indictment by the Justice Department in Florida concerning his retention of classified documents, fewer than half of independent respondents (48 percent) said that the trial in that case should take place before next November.


2. About half of the country believes Trump is guilty in the pending prosecutions
The claims on the part of Trump and his supporters that he is the victim of a “witch hunt” also seem to be having little effect on the views of Americans across the entire population. About half of the country — including overwhelming majorities of Democrats and roughly half of independents — believe that Trump is guilty of the series of charges



Befitting our polarized country, bare majorities said that they believe Trump is guilty in the other cases — 51 percent in the pending Justice Department and Fulton County prosecutions concerning the 2020 election, and 52 percent in the Justice Department’s classified documents case.

3. A conviction in DOJ’s 2020 election case would hurt Trump in the general election
Our latest poll also makes clear that it would be unhelpful for Trump’s presidential bid if he is federally convicted of a criminal scheme to steal the last election at the same time that he is asking the American people to send him back to the White House.

A plurality of respondents (44 percent) said that a conviction in the case would have no impact on their likelihood of supporting Trump, but the numbers tipped decisively against Trump among those who said that the result would inform their vote. Nearly one-third of respondents (32 percent) said that a conviction in the case would make them less likely to support Trump, including about one-third of independents (34 percent).

Only 13 percent of respondents said that a conviction would make them more likely to support Trump, and that figure was comprised mostly of Republicans.
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Note how much closer the Independents' numbers are, to Democrat numbers, than they are to Republican ones. This spells Trump's electoral doom.

 

I don't know why the left is thrilled about getting Trump out of the election. Of all the GOP candidates, it's Trump that will get lazy libs off their couches and out to vote, their hatred is that strong. Think about this; what is Biden going to run on if Trump isn't his opponent? He can't do the Trump Trump Trump thing like he did in 2020 and his record will become more of an issue. It's literally in Biden's best interests to tell Garland to cool his jets.

 

It's not about winning the 2024 election. It's about the rule of law.

 

Seems obvious. Republicans would be nuts to just hand him the nomination.

 

Nothing garland does will stop trump from being your nominee. He’s not bailing you out lol
If you believe anything you posted you should be advocating for someone else. But you can’t do that here, if you’re not 100% MAGA, you’re a socialist.

 

Who says, that this data means that Trump will be "out of the election?" Look more closely, at the Republican numbers. Only 14% of Republicans view Trump as guilty, versus 64% who'd said that he is not guilty. Also, the plurality (45%) do not want any Trump trials, prior to the election. That sounds, to me, like they still plan on voting for him.

And didn't the most recent poll, of just Republicans, about their Presidential nominee preferences, show 62% behind Trump, as their top choice?


EDIT:
So, let me ask your opinion, on this: do you think having these trials, will change Republican Primary voters' minds (moreso than the effect that the J6 Committee's hearings, had on them)?

 

Do you really believe that? Where was the rule of law with Clinton, Biden and the other Biden? Do you know how many democrats have questioned elections or took papers home and didn't get into trouble? One Biden is a tax cheat, probably the other one, too, yet the left wants to get Trump on an accounting issue in NYC. C'mon man.

 

We have people saying Trump should be barred from running again as per the Constitution. I seriously don't see how the left thinks all this is a win for them.

 

He’s not in trouble for “questioning” an election or “taking paper home” lol
Just like OJ wasn’t in trouble for like blondes.

 

Lol. The rule of law.... Lol. Wow.

 

And all you are doing here, is rattling off Right wing talking points: that is, ideas believed primarily, just by Republicans. As long as your Party's members are isolating themselves in this reality, of their own MAGA making, there is little hope for you to return to being a functional Party, without Trump. It is the Republican failure, to kick their Trump addiction, which steers your Party toward the rocky shoals of defeat. IOW, you should be happy for all the help you can get, from Democrats & Independents, in making Trump a pariah.

The big question that remains is: if Trump is ever seen as toxic, by Republicans writ large-- will it be for anything other than for losing elections?

 

Well that settles it.... He's guilty in the court of public opinion so we can just skip the trial.

Good luck to the prosecution on proving they can get an impartial jury

 

Would you please explain the connection between those two ideas, which seem to me, like separate subjects?

 

That had not been the point, nor is it what the poll is suggesting. Do you want to try again, or shall I (briefly) re-explain?

 

Think about that for a moment. Simpson murdered two people and he's now walking the streets. You want to nail Trump on papers that were protected by the Secret Service while Clinton's emails, Biden's papers and Pence's papers weren't. You know what? Unlike Clinton, you can't hack boxes in a room over the internet.

 

That justice is done is not a sufficient reason for you?

 

So if a former president takes government documents with them and refuses to give them back, they should be allowed to keep them because OJ got away with murder?

 

It’s not about Dems winning. It’s about stopping future and “improved” attempts to seize the state to end the Constitution and install authoritarianism. It’s about setting an example. It’s about establishing a precedent.

 

The school teacher in your OP is a bit distracting..... can you fix that?

 

Secret service didn’t stop him showing secret docs to some ladies he wanted to impress lol
Your whataboutisms are pointless. They didn’t have the evidence to charge Hillary or joe. They did for trump. Maybe they’re guilty also, but they’re apparently also smarter.

 

Finally, now, you're talking sense.

 

That is what the Trump prosecutions are about; but not what this poll is suggesting.

 

What ladies? Give me names and video evidence. Trump did not intend to commit a crime, that's the golden rule that got your hag off the hook.

 

I'll explain it to you in a nutshell....

Remember when we were kids, they said you could be anything you wanted? Even the president of the United States?

Well finally for once In our lifetime someone who wasn't a Washington insider came along and proved that true.... And they sure as hell ain't going to let the son of a b**** get away with that.

And they'll definitely put a stop to his ass doing it again. That's what it's all about.

Anyone who thinks this is about "Justice " is completely blind to the reality.

 

The loss of independents will not allow to win, he now has too much baggage, let alone his whole campaign is about him crying he lost the last election.