Lock Him Up? A New Poll Has Some Bad News For Trump.

There’s a good chance that Georgia case will go to trial at sometime in November this year if what I have been reading is correct. Manhattan case before March of next year followed by the classified documents case at the end of March. I haven’t seen any proposed trial date for the 1-6 case. It seems the trials will be before the election which in my opinion means everything.


So far, the indictments as to how independents plan on or are stating how they’ll vote hasn’t had any effect on them. Who for the most part aren’t political junkies nor do they follow politics much if at all until an election nears. I’m speaking in general terms here. Today independents are splitting their planned vote 41-41 between Trump and Biden. I suspect that will change once the trials begin. Independents don’t like and don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to run again. They want someone else; they don’t want the rematch. Questions 12 and 13.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/18ox1hne2s/econTabReport.pdf


Independents aren’t alone in not wanting the rematch, most Americans don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to run again. I do think once the trials start, they’ll be the last nail in the Trump coffin. Biden will once again win the independents vote. But independents won’t be voting for Biden, they’ll be voting against Trump. Biden will be their choice of the lesser of two evils candidate, the least worst candidate or the candidate they want to lose the least, not win, but lose the least. If independents had their way, both Trump and Biden would lose, someone else other than those two would win. In other words, when it comes to governing for Biden in his second term, he won’t have the publics support. Only the democratic party’s support. If the Democrats regain the house, likely at this point, remain in control of the senate, unlikely today, for normal legislation that will probably be enough as proven during Biden’s first two years in office. But if things go wrong, get tough, Biden won’t have the support of the public. I expect Biden overall job approval to remain at 40% or perhaps a bit lower for his second term. He’ll be a disliked president from day one of his second term. My two cents.

 

Yet another topic where your grasp of the subject matter is dubious at best?

Please proceed to ENLIGHTEN all of us and PROVE that your ALLEGATION that there is "bending" of "the meaning of the wording of the law" by the prosecution.

Cite the indictment(s), the wording to the law(s) in question and EXACTLY how it has allegedly been "bent".

My money says that you won't do any of that because you can't but go ahead and prove me wrong.

/Jeopardy jingle plays...

 

There are other polls showing the same

Old Story, new day,: what turns on the frothing MAGA- base turns off the soft undecided middle.

MAGA Red Meat is great for his primary sucesses but poison for the GE 2024.

Also, current polling is vastly, and I mean VASTLY overrepresenting what percentage of the overall electorate the Republicans are going to be. All of this is to Biden's benefit.

 

Rasmussen is a primary culprit for using biased push polling and cherrypicking subsets of the electorate to produce "results" that "predict" Red Waves that will give the right absolute control. Once upon a time we could weight the bias of the pollsters to account for this underhanded polling. Unfortunately I am of the opinion that the devious practices of Rasmussen have polluted the methodologies of other pollsters.

If current polling is to be believed it is a 41-41 dead heat between Biden and BoiBlunder. In 2020 the electorate voted AGAINST the latter to Biden's benefit. In 2024 the electorate will be able to COMPARE the RECORDS of the two of them. Peace and Prosperity versus Drama Queen Chaos and Corruption is not a hard choice to make.

 

1. Trump has enough support within the party to Win the GOP Nomination...
2. Trump DOES NOT have enough support to Win the General Election...
3. End of story...

 

Still tired of winning.

 

What do you believe the poll is suggesting?

 

I don't think so in 2024 where you have the Presidential race, House races, a few Senate Races, some State governor and other state election official races, and so forth because of issues like Abortion, LGBTQ rights and so forth. These social issues will drive the Democrats to vote more in local elections and by the mere presence on the same day, the Presidential election, assuming the Republican National Committee will allow a convicted criminal to run anyway after the NYC trial and the Documents Trial. But if the Republican National Committee decides not to have Trump considered because he is already a convicted driminal by the time of their national convention, then I don't think either Republicans, especially MEGA Republicans will come out to vote in November 2024 no matter who the GOP nominee is.

 

Yes, but the election is over a year away, and with all the the non-stop attention from his opposition Trump is now "virtually tied with Biden and DJT's support has been rising for over a month even as all these charges are being filed against him.

“The Quinnipiac University poll, released Wednesday, found that 47 percent of respondents would support Biden and 46 percent would support Trump in a hypothetical general election match-up between the two. Biden has a slight edge with independent voters, with 45 percent saying they would support him and 41 percent saying they would support Trump.

Three percent of respondents said they were undecided, 2 percent said they would vote for someone besides Biden and Trump, and 2 percent said they would not vote.”

Quinnipiac noted that while its polling has generally shown a close race between Biden and Trump, this 1 point margin is the tightest one this year. It added that Biden held his biggest lead over the former president last month with 49 percent of support compared to Trump’s 44 percent.
THE HILL, Biden, Trump virtually tied in hypothetical match-up: poll, Story by Lauren Sforza, 8/16/24.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ied-in-hypothetical-match-up-poll/ar-AA1fmr67

Probably the smartest politician in America, Joe Biden, on DJT:

“What did President Joe Biden think of Donald Trump's arrest photo taken Thursday? "Handsome guy, wonderful guy," Biden told reporters, appearing to make light of his predecessor's booking at the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta. When Trump surrendered in Georgia to face charges of trying to overturn Biden's 2020 election win, he became the first president to have a mug shot taken.

"I did see it on television," Biden responded when asked about it while he was vacationing in Lake Tahoe, Nevada.”
, USA TODAY 'Handsome guy, wonderful guy.' President Biden reacts to Donald Trump's arrest photo, Story by Austin Bogues, USA TODAY, 8/26/24. (Emphasis mine)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...ts-to-donald-trump-s-arrest-photo/ar-AA1fOpMR

Probably a lesson there.

 

Lol.

Yeah right.

All 2 million investigations, impeachment, and indictments have ALWAYS been about politics.

 

In politics, anything is possible...
That said:
I See NO Scenario in which Trump is sworn in as POTUS on 1/20/25.

 

Can you recall any time in history a former government employee was allowed to keep federal documents after leaving against the wishes of the government?

That's against the law, right? If no precedent has been set, why does Trump fall outside the scope of the law and requires special treatment?

 

It's actually pretty common. Those were very low level documents.
You do realize Trump easily had the power as President to sign a piece of paper and unclassify those particular documents?
Which makes the situation all the more absurd.

Presidents are overwhelmed with a huge amount of paperwork. It can be hard to keep track of it all. And Trump was using Mar-a-Lago as his office while he was in office as President, so it really should not be that surprising.

 

I agrée with 1. #2 is less clear. Many people underestimated him in 2016. He has a base that will not desert him, no matter what. He can count on a huge voting block to support him.

He DOES have enough support to get elected. The real question is whether he drives enough people to vote against him to outweigh his support.

 

No one can become president in the US without the consent of our ruling bipartisan political class and its Electoral College.
IMO, DJT would need overwhelming popular support across the spectrum to have the slightest chance -- at least 60%.of the popular vote.
Very unlikely unless the DP fails to adequately support JRB.

 

Who was allowed to keep federal documents against the wishes of the government? You say its common.

If I had an opportunity to look at trade secrets at my company, and then decided on my last day to take them home with me because I had access to it during my tenure, do you think the company would be cool with that?

 

Benghazi!

 

Which is why he wasn’t charged for having them. It was the lying about giving them back. And trying to hide stuff, that was his problem.

 

Justice, like democracy, seems to exist for its own sake. As though people should suffer some arbitrary penalty because their actions didn't fit the law as written. (Though the DOJ does address this, in that it has the prerogative to not bring cases if it deems it not in the public's interest.) but generally speaking, it seems like 'doing justice' is more meaningful than having a civic society that we agree to live in.

 

Those aren't issues, they're figments of the imagination. Unfortunately, there's very little difference in the democratic world.

 

Out of the last 4 elections where Sideshow Blob was either on the ballot or a major factor behind others on the ballot he has LOST 3 of them. Those 3 all set record voter turnouts.

So when it comes to election #5 I would not be backing the Bigliest Loser as being the favorite to win.

 

and he only won in 2016 as many thought Hillary had it in the bag and did not bother to vote - a mistake people did not make in 2020 and won't make in 2024

 

I have no doubt whatsoever that the GOP will pull out ALL of the stops in their attempts to REDUCE voter turnout in 2024 otherwise they will lose. Their problem is that the Dems are wise to their tricks and have measures in place to prevent that from happening.

 

There will also be a ton of foreign dark money and internet "influence" aimed at undermining American democracy. Let's all not forget that some swing state officials turned over voter databases to private interests and it's unlikely anyone knows where that stuff ended up (just one example).

 

I follow your logic, & it may pan out that way, but I think you're basing it on an erroneous assumption: since, right now, 53% of Independents think Trump is guilty, it might be inferred that the other half are inclined to support Trump. I would guess, however, that those numbers translate differently: those who already believe Trump is guilty of attempting to subvert our election, seem less likely, to me, to answer that a Trump conviction would make it any less likely they'd vote for him-- I think most of those, aren't voting for Trump, even w/out a conviction. Likewise, most of the 20% who believe Trump not guilty, seem less likely to have their minds decided by a conviction, than would be those in the second largest group of Independents: the 27% who are not sure if Trump is guilty, who "don't know." It stands to reason that these comprise most of the 34% who say a conviction would affect their choice.

I don't know that we can assume that, should Trump beat the charges, half of this group are Trump voters. It could be more than half, or less. What evidence is presented, may be as important, as the verdict. I expect, if it is televised, this trial will get a huge audience.