Maine strips Trump from the ballot, inflaming legal war over his candidacy

Then please elaborate for everyone, how Bidens theft of classified records was merely an accident, with four sets of stolen classified records, strewn about in three separate personal locations, moved multiple times. One of the locations is the garage in Biden's Wilmington, Delaware personal home: the same garage, that is, which in recent memory has been teeming with a full television production crew.
Can't wait to hear this one

 

So what excuse were you going to throw in there that allows a Senator to remove classified documents from the SCIF?
Can't wait to hear this one.

 

No. He didn't STEAL them, my misinformed comrade. STEAL STEAL STEAL.

Let me hypothesize---you have no source.

 

OMG! @Condor060 is wrong, very wrong. *sad face*

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...assified-documents-removal-biden-trump-pence/

The federal government and its contractors collectively have thousands of SCIFs in numerous locations, said Robert Deitz, a George Mason University public policy professor who previously worked at the CIA and as the National Security Agency’s general counsel.

A SCIF “is a room — any room — that meets the requirements established by the intel community,” Deitz said. Those have to do with factors such as locks, isolation and building security, he said.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence distributes a 100+-page memo of specifications for the facilities, including criteria for doors and windows and rules for personnel and telecommunications. The facilities are usually permanent, but they can also be temporary, since the president and vice president need access to sensitive information wherever they may be, including when on vacation.

Fitzpatrick referred collectively to “classified documents,” but there are differing levels of classification, with escalating levels of security clearances required to view them. The least restrictive level is confidential; the most restrictive levels are top secret and above.

Although all classified documents can be viewed in a SCIF, it is not required that documents in the least restrictive classification categories be viewed in those facilities. The facilities are used typically for materials categorized as “top secret/sensitive compartmented information.”

Classified documents below the top levels typically are stored, retained and viewed in classified spaces that are not SCIFs, said Bradley Moss, a Washington, D.C., lawyer who works on national security cases. These classified spaces do not have the same security guidelines as SCIFs, he said, though they are more restrictive than normal workspaces.

The only information that must be protected in a SCIF is classified information derived from intelligence sources and methods, said Steven Aftergood, former director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy.

So, there is a broad swath of “classified documents” that is not required to be brought to a SCIF in the first place.

Can highly secret material be removed from a SCIF?
Even information classified as top secret/sensitive compartmented information may be removed from a SCIF as long as proper protocols are followed, experts said. The same is true for material with lower classifications.

Molly Shadel, a University of Virginia law professor who formerly worked at the Justice Department, gave an example of a Justice Department lawyer working with top secret/sensitive compartmented information materials in a SCIF. The lawyer might find that some of the documents need to be presented to a judge, which would require an off-site meeting.

“In that situation, the lawyer would use a special DOJ-issued bag with special locks and other security features” to transport the materials, Shadel said. “But that lawyer would need to lock the materials up in a SCIF when she’s not using it, perhaps at a local FBI field office. She couldn’t just keep it overnight in her hotel room.”

Moss said classified documents, no matter their level, “cannot simply be removed and taken outside of any secured space without complying with security protocols.” However, he called Fitzpatrick’s characterization of the process an “oversimplification.”

Dietz said, “Of course, Trump and Biden and every other (president and vice president) have taken sensitive information home. “Therefore, it is not true that sensitive information can never leave a SCIF.”

Deitz said that a president’s or vice president’s home might be considered tantamount to a SCIF.

Finally, it’s unclear how relevant Fitzpatrick’s point is to the Biden case.

CNN, The Washington Post and NBC, without naming sources, stated that some Biden documents included “sensitive compartmented information.” If true, that would mean those documents require a SCIF. Meanwhile, the list of items taken by federal agents during the Mar-a-Lago search include materials described as “various classified/TS/SCI documents.” The FBI photographed documents marked top secret found at Mar-a-Lago.

Biden’s personal attorney, Bob Bauer, said in a Jan. 21 statement that Biden’s lawyers gave the Justice Department access to search his Wilmington home. The Jan. 20 search turned up “six items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding materials, some of which were from the President’s service in the Senate and some of which were from his tenure as Vice President.”

Our ruling
Fitzpatrick said, “Classified documents can never be taken out of a (sensitive compartmented information facility), ever.”

This is exaggerated. SCIFs must be used when documents with the highest-level classifications have to be reviewed. But even the most highly classified documents can be taken out of a SCIF, as long as specific precautions are taken that ensure similar levels of security.

In addition, it’s not required that documents with lower levels of classifications be viewed in a SCIF in the first place.

Fitzpatrick’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details.

We rate it Half True.

 

So you can't elaborate on how Biden came into possession of stolen classified documents at 4 locations.
Thats what I thought

 

Easy. If he/she didn’t do one of those 3 things, there’s no case to answer...

 

I don't need to; you're the one fabricating nonsense.

Show the class that the documents were "stolen". LOL!

 

Let me walk you through it as a high school student.
1. The classified documents were located in DC.
2. The classified documents were taken from the SCIF in DC.
3. The classified documents were found in 4 locations belonging to Biden and had been moved several times
4. It wasn't the SCIF fairy who placed the documents in Bidens possession.
5. Biden took the classified documents which he stole from the SCIF.

Capeesh

 

Oh, so you are one of those who think the good SCIF fairy placed those documents in 4 of Bidens locations.
Got it

 

Think what you like. As in so many other areas, you’re wrong…

 

Right, I just made up the fact that Biden had top secret files in 4 locations.
lol

 

1. Did he WILFULLY RETAIN them, after it was discovered they were still on his property…?

NO.

2. Did he attempt to FURTHER CONCEAL THEM FROM AUTHORITIES…?

NO.

3. Did he attempt to OBSTRUCT the efforts of authorities to retrieve them…?

NO.

Oh look….in contrast to The Stain, Pence and Biden and any other person who had documents, but who returned them as soon as their presence was discovered, has no case to answer…

But you know all of this…you’re just serving your master by trying to make noise…

So, make it somewhere else. I’m taking the advice of many here who tell me I should just put you on ignore…

 

None of that matters. None of that are elements of the crime lmao. He objectively committed the crime and isn't being charged. That's left wing Banana republic bullshit. That type of fascism is the enemy of democracy.

The destruction of our nation is coming when our leadership openly chooses to not charge democrats but charge Republicans.

 

You reckon Biden is guilty of some offence about keeping documents?

 

I mean obviously Biden didn't steal the docs because he's a Democrat. If he were a Republican he'd be guilty without a trial just like Trump.

 

Did he WILFULLY steal them in the first place?
YES

That would probably be in your best interest since most of what you post is just Trumpisms and media regurgitations.
Most leftist can't cope with factual information.

 

Bad post offering zero substance. Big fail.

 

Pop quiz: can you name anyone else in modern history who was charged on the Federal espionage act WITHOUT any of the 3 elements you just quoted? No. You can't. The whole "two systems of justice" argument is dog **** being peddled to those whom their handlers know will NEVER do a second of homework and will just blindly copy/paste what they are commanded to believe.

 

Trump hasn't been found guilty without a trial. And if you think that people just personally having the opinion he did it counts, then the same goes for what you guys are sayinb about Biden . . . you are declaring him guilty without a trial. This is where the homework thing I mentioned before comes in, but Trump's Republican followers will never engage in homework.

 

Trump will get a trial. Why are his supporters confused about that?

 

I guess Pence is getting that "preferential treatment" too. Because he "stole them from a SCIF" and stuff.

 

Please note; the 2 different vps are treated exactly the same.

 

I just posted a source which explains what a SCIF means to a VP. You didn't even read it.

 

There are absolutely two systems of justice going on.

This is the perfect example.

Brandon objectively committed the crime, The elements you listed do not exist in the crime. The crime was committed by brandon and yet he goes unprosecuted.

Thats because democrats dont ever get held properly accountable.

We live in a banana republic. And that will change.

 

There. This thread is resolved. Biden and Pence fully cooperated. They didn't STEAL anything, and didn't unlawfully withhold and retain government documents.