Mathematician proves Atheism to be a false idea

Are they, though? I believe that new neurons are created from stem and progenitor cells, not through mitosis.

 

That may very well be so, I know very little of neuroscience. I bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Your diagram doesn't make any sense with neurons. They aren't produced in pairs, for one. You're using a math problem, that was based on an ideal and fictitious rabbit species, to illustrate something that is patently false about neural development. It's asinine.

 

Did Dave make a false analogy?...shocker.

Dave should consider sending his "resume" to the Disco Institute...they seem to share the same love failed assumptions and claims.

 

You are incorrect.

The Human Brian does not use a Binary System for computation but rather uses Quantum Indeterminacy.

The Human Brian when making a CHOICE....does so similar to a Quantum Computer.

Unlike using Zero's and One's such as a Binary System....in a Quantum Computational System all values are Indeterminate until observed.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, neurons aren't rabbits, but they duplicate by splitting in half at regular intervals by what is called the process of mitosis.

What Fibo said was if,...

... if we imagined that a rabbit had another baby rabbit every month, and if the babies matured in a month... the count of the rabbits would be augmented in the series he set down.

This is the same if we consider neurons instead of rabbits.




The binary numbers can be seen to follow from the array of neurons and helps us understand why Music is so natural a sensation.

 

No, they don't.

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, ...

That is the Fibonacci sequence. Cell mitosis, which neurons don't do, would look like this:

1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 ....

 

Evolution over zillions of year found a way to use this natural binary association of neurons as we did with the computer.


For instance, Hearing developed by utilizing the Volley Theory of Hearing which is diagramed below as if it is related to a pascal bundle of nerves which are stimulated by the incoming frequency appropriate to the row down the pyramidal triangle:

 

Right.
You are getting it now.

Fibonacci reproduction of cells, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5,....13... build a pyramid of nerves which arrange themselves in a binary fashion of 1, 2, 4, 8,... 2^n...

 

1) "HOW STEM CELLS FORM NEURONS
Mitosis is the type of cell division that takes place in human body cells not only during development but also during tissue renewal in adults. A cell that undergoes mitosis passes through several stages that result in its division into two daughter cells that resemble this mother cell. (i.e.; the mother cell splits into the two daughter cell which replace it), The daughter cells may then divide in turn, which leads to the exponential growth in the number of cells (in accord with Fibonacci's series), during embryonic development."


(The bracketed explanations are mine)

2) "During the proliferation phase, for example, the cells divide according to the usual cycle of mitosis, but the cell divisions are accompanied by rather distinctive oscillating movements of the cell nuclei. These nuclei go back and forth between the ventricular zone of the neural tube (the part closer to its central canal, or ventricle) and the marginal zone (the part closer to its outer surface)."

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_09/i_09_cl/i_09_cl_dev/i_09_cl_dev.html


3) All this is at the frontuer of Brain Science because the differentiation of the neurons is very complicated after the zillion years of evolution.

They are still working with flies to try get more insight.

 

cute.

You make it seem as if you are aware that QM is wrong. Be nice, if you could admit it, directly.

no such thing. ie.... there is no quantum computer

wrong.

Entangled; to combine the possible determinatons as a single unit whole.

ie.... the reason the binary dont work, is because nature is not a particle processor; the energy is of fields entangled to it source, environment, existence itself.

The brain is more like a bunch of glass pains that light (em) has entangled (coherance) as a unit whole. See glial and the fixation upon a memory storage.

 

How is the set of numbers 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. at all related to the Fibonacci sequence?

 

There is a lot of info available on this at various sites, but the short answer is that Pascal's Triangle inherently includes the Fibonacci series when examined mathematically along the diagonals:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=pascal+and+ibonacci&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

Right... and? The only remote connection between pascal's triangle and the series 1,2,4,8, etc. is that the rows add up to those numbers. So, that series is tangentially connected to pascal's triangle and pascal's triangle is also tangentially connected to the Fibonacci sequence. Somehow that makes the series related to the Fibonacci sequence? I don't think so.

 

Your earlier Fibonacci diagram requires a pair of cells to produce a pair of daughter cells. But two neuron precursors that go through mitosis would result in four daughter cells. This is why your numbers don't add up. You get exponential growth through mitosis. Fibonacci's rabbits don't result in exponential growth.

 

No, everything adds up.

One big fully mature cell splits into two equal but smaller "daughter cells."
Read up on mitosis.

It is the process by which everything living grows as new cells are added.
It is also the reason why Fibonacci shows up so much, since everything does this.
The OP started here by observing how "amazing" that seemed, that everything is Fibonacci, but the simple truth is, mitosis keeps producing daughter cells by splitting.

(Instead of trying to catch me in some clever observation you might make as you learn about this, google a little and read up on mitosis.)

 

NEURONS DO NOT UNDERGO MITOSIS. And you have still not explained how the series 1, 2, 4, 8, etc. , which has nothing to do with neurons since they don't undergo mitosis, has anything at all to do with Fibonacci. The only thing you've said is that it is tangentially related to Pascal's triangle.

 

Mitosis results in exponential growth: 1 to 2 to 4 to 8 to 16, etc. That isn't the Fibonacci sequence. This is basic math. I'm not trying to catch you in anything. I'm explaining how you're simply wrong.

 

Bish....you should keep up...we have working Quantum Computers and have had them for a short while.

AboveAlpha

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This person is not interested in the facts....he is only interested in pushing his ideology.

AboveAlpha

 

D-wave?

I pointed out what is required to make a QC work. I then point out the neural network of living brains, and what to look for. ie.... do you know which molecule in the glial, hold memories (affixed) within the node of ranvier?

Always keep in mind, that a quantum computer will operate at the molecular level, in the same fashion as nature does, within our brains, or it will not be a QC with a full coherance of experienced memories.

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Bish...a Quantum Computer works on a QUANTUM LEVEL....not Molecular Level. The Molecular Level is simply a Chemical Reaction.

AboveAlpha

 

funny

no quantum transfer of energy (light) without atoms and molecules, ever!

chemical reaction at the quantum level are the reaction of exchanging light between structures (molecules/atoms/mass)



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Bishadi..may I call you Bishbish?,, you strike us as the very definition of the word "facile".

 

Who is 'us'?

Are yu an AA member, leaning on the obsolete.

I was playing with qm with facile enjoyment over 3 decades ago. It was not until I chose overcome facile aspects of qm that, i began to realize that the model was incorrect.

And until you can sustain some integrity, dont call me at all.

 

Im not the one with the integrity problem, or master of the facile.