Merkel: Germany hit by full force of Covid

Lol. You haven't done any math at all, let alone 9th grade math. Your assertions are supported by nothing more than a visual - a line on a graph - with absolutely no analysis of the actual numbers. Instead, you simply asert that it proves your case, which it doesn't, at all.

 

More than 80% of adults under 60 are vaccinated hence just using your stat, whether true or not (it's not) means that the unvaccinated adults under 60 are twice as likely to die compared to the vaccinated

 

I think the analysis is super simple.
Over last 11 months the moving average of COVID deaths is steady (approximately 1100 per day).
If vaccines provide any help, then we should see tremendous reduction of COVID deaths (CDC claimed 90% efficiency).
Unfortunately the Worldmeter graph disagrees with CDC and we do not see any changes.

 

I find it hilarious that folks have stopped using their eyes and ears and started using the "Worldmeter" to find out what's going on around them. Here in my town our schools, stores, beaches, restaurants... everything... has been open since Governor Abbott freed Texas from China Virus restrictions on 2 March 2021. We don't have bodies all over the streets. We have had some cases, but we've had auto accidents and heart attacks too. I don't know anyone who has had the Virus around here at all.
I guess I'd be worried and scared if I looked at the Worldmeter. But I just look around and we're ok. That gives me lots of time to concentrate on my grandkids, my friends, puttering around the house, jumping in the jacuzzi, eating out, going to the beach, shopping and having fun. Worldmeter indeed! LOL... I bet you'd leap in the air if the media told you to do so.

 

Good post .. cept is not the "China Virus" .. Is the "Fauci China Virus"

 

The point was that vaccines have no effect on COVID.

 

You mean the same repetitive point you keep making in many threads that is proven wrong every time which you then ignore?

 

Proven wrong what? I don't think anyone ever tried to prove me wrong, because I just present Worldmeter statistics?
I think CDC have similar data, they just prefer not to publish it the way Wroldmeter does.

People might disagree with my opinion, they can think that some COVID vaccines help people. Sure, but then we should see the decline in moving averages, but it is not currently happening.

 

The cumulative deaths chart which you are fixated on is no more than daily deaths added together. Moving averages (e.g. for the last week) are calculated as each new daily count comes in. Even a cursory glance at the daily deaths chart (if this is your preferred mode of 'analysis' - it's under the cumulative one) should inform you - from the immense peaks and troughs - that moving averages have by no means remained steady at 1,100!

What's more, even if they had, this would not support your contention that vaccines have made no difference.

To make your case, you need to use actual numbers. First, you need to know the number of deaths that were vaccinated and how many were unvaccinated. Second, you need to know the population size of each group - vaccinated and unvaccinated. You can then calculate - and compare - the death rate for each group. If both groups are indeed dying at the same rate, then your assertion would be correct.

As it stands, it's an unfounded assumption - pure guesswork.

In short, your analysis is indeed "super simple." So much so that it's not an analysis at all.

 

There is absolutely no need to use your convoluted logic.

I have presented the trend, the trend is steady, it goes up, that is all I need to make a conclusion.
The moving averages are not going down, either cumulative or average.
If vaccine works then we should see trend change, the moving average supposed to decline.
Similar to stock price




If number of deaths goes down we should see something similar to this

 

The idea that the number of deaths should always be falling is... just an idea. Deaths are always a proportion of cases, which as I'm sure you're aware, have and most likely will continue to fluctuate up as well as down.

And, that number is not a basis for evaluation. In short, not like stock prices, at all.

Stock prices are absolutes. They can be taken at face value. A high value is just that. A high value.

Covid deaths, on the other hand are a proportion of something and, as such, must be evaluated in context of that "something".

For instance, if there are 50 deaths among the vaccinated and 50 deaths among the unvaccinated, you might say this is proof that the vaccine makes no difference - until you discover that 20,000 people are vaccinated and 500 are not.

This isn't "convoluted logic". It's basic stats.

 

If average number of cases as well as number of deaths is growing at the approximately the same rate with or without vaccines it is easy to conclude that vaccines have no effect on the population.
What is a point of the vaccine if not to reduce number of cases, or at least number of fatal cases?

 

The Bottom Line is this:
Folks whose lives revolve around fixating on graphs and data while still alive and well... are as dead as a China Virus victim. Me? I'm going out for nice big, thick, rare steak with a loaded baked potato and lots of beer.

 

That is absolutely what we should do. I hope political leaders come to their senses someday instead of trying to impose various sanctions on people.

 

The larger point IMO is that those who've taken the shots are driving the increase in infections, as predicted by pretty much every single virologist and immunologist in the world. Those who've participated in the experiment have weakened, NOT STRENGTHENED, immune systems.

Is the experiment working as planned? We don't know because we are just the test subjects.

 

The whole operation is to attain the goal of a totally Chinese population on earth by 2350.

 

It also make sense from the logical perspective. If vaccine forces immune system to produce antibodies against specific protein, then virus will mutate and change proteins faster

 

I see your point, but I'm pretty sure the Chinese (and the Russians for sure) are injecting their own. If their shots also contain graphene, part of the experiment might be to see how the injected react to various electric stimuli, including EMF as found in 5G.

 

Of course it’s “easy to conclude” because it’s pure guesswork. When you’re guessing you can “conclude” whatever you like - “like” being the operative word.

Until you can show - using actual data - the death rate among vaccinated people compared to the death rate among unvaccinated people, your opinion of the vaccine is no more than an opinion, not grounded in fact.

 

More on Germany: German States with a High Vaccination Rate Have the Highest Excess Mortality - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

 

Ludicrous misinformation. A crazy alternative website, routinely peddling garbage comes to the least likely conclusion from variable stats using nothing more than supposition. No other factors are taken in, such as local activities, age-groups, population density etc. Typical conspiracy junk. What is this doing in the main forum?

 

Absolutely Correct. Several statements have been published in order to put this "study" (it isn't a study and wasn't meant to be one in the first place) into the correct context again. Even the two guys who wrote this paper, Rolf Steyer & Gregor Kappler, say it's meant as a memo and not as a scientific study. They themselves would never publish such a memo as an academic study because it doesn't meet scientific criteria and wasn't intended to do so. They also clearified that the causal connection some people interpret into this memo is incorrect. Doesn't mean that there aren't clueless people who run with it.
German language source: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/impfquote-uebersterblichkeit-101.html

 

Relevant to Germany, here is more information : A Massive Covid Wave in Germany and Central Europe Despite High Vaccination - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Another of the many cases in which a highly inoculated population becomes a highly infected community.

The truth sux, eh Betamax101?

 

Then infections must be rising at a rate sufficient to hold the death rate stable. Do you think this is the case?

 

Huh? How would rising infection rates hold death rates stable?