Most of what you THINK you know about George Floyd is wrong

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  1. Izzy

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    Your defenses for Chauvin and his thugs have all been debunked.
    Your go-to new documentary "The Fall of Minneapolis" is on its way to the dust heap if not there already.
    It's as desperate and non-factual as "2,000 Mules".
     
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    No, I'm afraid it hasn't.

    In fact, there is a whole OP up there that has debunked everything every low information poster here has tried to say so far.

    None of you will read it, examine it, or think about it in a rational way.

    That's what makes leftists leftists.
     
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    No, they didn't. They showed the same still image (Exhibit 17 I believe) from a bystanders cell phone video, and while nothing about it was faked, at least I have no reason to believe so, it created an optical illusion that his knee was on the neck. The other view clearly showed that to be untrue.

    Think about it like NFL instant replay... To decide what the right decision is, they look at multiple camera angles, and way more than just two. Some are illusory. Tis one of the natures of the technology of photography/videography.

    They used exhibit 17 precisely because it created a wrong impression, and the jury was not allowed to view the instant replay angles. Hell, that is grounds for a mistrial alone, even if the other evidence did not exonerate the defendant.
     
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    The funny thing is that all this info has been out there for several years now, and none of them know about any of it.

    They will only know what they are told to know.

    It's all pearls before swine, really.

    Moreover, they don't CARE as long as they get what they want.
     
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    How can you label body camera footage as having been debunked? Video is not an eyewitness, where you can ask 10 eyewitnesses what they saw and get 10 different and contradictory answers. Video shows what happened without prejudice, bias, or anything else, aside from the fact that some angles can be misleading, as happened here. Of course, you haven't even watched it, so you haven't a clue what's in it.
     
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    NO new video is shown in the documentary for the first time.
    The jury saw the video footage of Chauvin from every angle.
    Chauvin and thugs tortured George Floyd to death.
    Plain and simple and we have Darnella Frazier to thank, again and again.
     
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    The second video has been recorded since Chauvin was stabbed, and while I listed it second, in retrospect I probably should have put it first, because the change of heart of someone who has a reputation for being anti-white and anti-cop is telling. If the FULL body camera footage was previously released, it's news to me, as it seems to be to the college profs from the other video. There are other newish videos on topic (post Chauvin being stabbed) that reach similar conclusions, but I figured 2+ hours was enough.
     
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    Yeah I was mainly referring to all the video previously released that shows the cops being overly nice to Floyd trying to get him in the car, and shots of where Chauvin's knee actually was.

    Honestly though this is all wasted effort.

    They will never look at anything that might make them question their predetermined conclusions.

    They wanted a white supremacist, and they're going to keep trying to make them because the demand far exceeds the desired supply.

    They just tried to burn down MLK's childhood home. I wonder what's next.
     
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    Even Chauvin's lawyer knew he was ****ed for having/keeping his knee on George's neck.
    "moments"


    Expert: Chauvin never took knee off Floyd's neck
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    Oregon Public Broadcasting
    https://www.opb.org › article › 2021/04/07 › derek-c...


    Apr 7, 2021 — Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson sought to point out moments in the video footage when, he said, Chauvin's knee did not appear to be on Floyd's neck ...
     
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    Right. Because what that means is that during the moments the camera was showing his knee wasn't on the neck, he put it back on his neck when the camera wasn't pointed at it.

    Hilarious interpretation.
     
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    Yep everyone got what they wanted.

    I hope you're practicing being your own first responder.
     
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    removing the knee for moments and placing it back, just allowed him to struggle a little longer before dying - there was NO reason for his knee to be on this man's neck for that long, none
     
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    When is the SCOTUS viewing scheduled for? :roflol:


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    'The Fall of Minneapolis' is Orwellian nonsense


    The Fall of Minneapolis, directed by JC Chaix, is a project of the Minnesota conservative news website Alpha News which, hilariously, was also ...

    'The Fall of Minneapolis' is Orwellian nonsense
    'Derek Chauvin, the right’s favorite murderer, finally gets his say in this poorly made, even more poorly argued documentary'

    'So now comes The Fall of Minneapolis, a ludicrous new documentary that, while throwing a lot of victim-blaming, blame-shifting, and other nonsense at the wall to see what sticks, is dedicated to the Orwellian notion that what every one of us has seen with our own eyes is not what really happened. Mostly, it makes arguments that have already failed in court, in some cases multiple times.'
     

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    Yeah sure.
     
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    A major reason the nation is in such chaos today is that people are refusing to be guided by consistent fundamental values when it's not convenient. Literally, they deny the obvious rather than revise their conclusions. We are seeing fundamental values decay, with chaos and injustice taking their place.

    I've also researched the situation on Floyd and read the autopsies, although you have done so in greater detail, and I come to the same conclusions you do. They have used a career criminal as an excuse to push an ideology that runs against the grain of common sense, celebrated him and built statues to him. Totally detached from reality, as was the trial. That too has about the same level of credibility. We have all heard of the concept of a change of venue to ensure a fair trial- yet the list of events where officials convicted Chauvin before the fact going up to and including Biden, so tainted the situation that a fair trial would have been compromised almost anywhere. The judge refused a change of venue, and so the trial was held in a courthouse in Minneapolis that had to be hardened into a fortress due to the risk of violence. Regardless of the real guilt or innocence, that alone is an event that shames the entire justice system.

    As for people willing to adjust their conclusions when they learn that facts don't support them- don't hold your breath.

    Elon Musk said a while back that "It's easy to fool people- but nearly impossible to convince them they have been fooled."
     
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    Since you didn't bother with the vids, you don't know that the technique used is (well, at this point probably was, whether or not that is a good decision, politics made it necessary) a standard detention technique they were trained to do, and was fully supported by the chain of command, including the politicians.
     
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    Indeed. That sort of callous turd polishing for a mindless thug is unseemly.
    The problem lies with the police swat mentality.
    When I was a kid, the motto on the police cars said- to protect and serve.
    Now they say- professional law enforcement.
     
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    The entire trial was more of a kangaroo kourt than the recent convictions of Americans arrested in Russia for 'espionage'. Their actual innocence was irrelevant to the outcome, which was predetermined before they ever set foot in court.
     
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    The only thing to know about what happened to Floyd is that he was a human being treated in a callous and brutal way by a thug with a badge.
    All the sophist verbiage spouted to excuse his actions can't erase that fact.
     
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    Never seen that, they still say protect and serve round these here parts. And, with some exceptions no doubt, they live up to it.
     
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    it's ok to taze someone too, but not repeatedly for 9 min over and over... while HANDCUFFED

    and definitely not if they are having a medical emergency with their breathing and EMT were called
     
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    Yeah...
    Most OBJECTIVE Reviews (by serious people) are in Universal Agreement with that sentiment.
    From IMDB:
    This is not a documentary, it's propaganda believed by those who lack critical thinking skills.

    If you've seen 2000 Mules, you know what this is. A bunch of easily debunked rage farming for people on the right.

    From Reddit:
    It's not a documentary, it's the same inane bullshit that the alt-right clung to during 2020 that Liz Collin put out in her garbage book.



     
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    So you spent 2.5 hours looking but saw nothing.
     
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    And you and the rest of your squad watched nothing, but know everything. That's an amazing feat, I gotta give you props.
     
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    Talking about the SCOTUS and the incarcerated Derek Chauvin.


    Supreme Court rejects Derek Chauvin's appeal in George ...
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    https://www.cnn.com › 2023/11/20 › derek-chauvin-su...

    Nov 20, 2023 — Chauvin was found guilty in April 2021 of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd's ...


    SCOTUS declines to hear Chauvin's appeal of George ...
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    Axios
    https://www.axios.com › Politics & Policy


    Nov 20, 2023 — The Supreme Court on Monday declined a request to review former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin's conviction for murdering George ...


    US Supreme Court rejects ex-cop Chauvin's appeal in ...
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    https://www.reuters.com › legal › us-supreme-court-reje...

    Nov 20, 2023 — The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of his conviction for the ...


    Supreme Court declines appeal from Derek Chauvin in ...
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    CBS News
    https://www.cbsnews.com › Politics


    Nov 20, 2023 — A 12-member Hennepin County jury found Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in April 2021 ...
     
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