Most of what you THINK you know about George Floyd is wrong

Didn't realize Floyd's air tube was in his back, let alone using a YouTube video as a source.

 

lets assume all of that is true (sorry, don't have 2.5 extra hours), regarding the "restraint technique", how long is too long? in the video it seems very long and you don't see him moving, isn't that the time to take the pressure off?

 

The source was the original bodycam footage, and interviews from people who were there. YouTube and Rumble were simply the delivery devices.

 

That's a question for their training officer, but since they deny training officers to use the technique in the process, despite definitive proof to the contrary, including the Chief of Police perjuring himself, they would never allow such a person to testify, and if they did, they would commit perjury, too. Likely under duress.

 

Here ya go.
Plain and simple and the reason why Chauvin and thugs are in prison.

'Trial in George Floyd’s death expected to turn to Derek Chauvin’s training'

“Mr. George Floyd’s tragic death was not due to a lack of training — the training was there,” Arradondo said then. “Chauvin knew what he was doing.”


snip:

'Prosecutors have already called supervisory officers to build the case that Chauvin improperly restrained Floyd. A duty sergeant and a lieutenant who leads the homicide division both questioned Chauvin’s actions in pinning Floyd after officers responded to a report that Floyd had passed a counterfeit $20 bill.

“Totally unnecessary,” Lt. Richard Zimmerman, the longest-tenured officer on the force, testified Friday. He said once Floyd was handcuffed, he saw “no reason for why the officers felt they were in danger, if that’s what they felt, and that’s what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force.”


Zimmerman, who joined the department in 1985, said he has never been trained to kneel on someone’s neck if their hands are cuffed behind their back and they are in the prone position. Officers are supposed to get a person out of the position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing, he said.'

https://web.archive.org/web/2021040...vin-trial-george-floyd-death-police-training/

 

Another plain and simple.

'Fact check: George Floyd's death ruled a homicide, not fentanyl overdose'

snip:

'Autopsy cites 'restraint and neck compression'

'The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police.

Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart. '




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/

 

Chauvin had plead guilty to federal charges after he was convicted in state court for the murder of George Floyd.
These charges were for violating the victim's civil rights were not only for Floyd but also for a 14 yr old boy who remained anonymous until now.
His name is John Pope.


'Minneapolis has now paid more than $35 million because of Derek Chauvin’s excessive force'

Ryan Raiche and Ricky Campbell KSTP
Updated: April 14, 2023 - 8:31 AM

snip:

'Newly released videos show former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin kneeling on the necks of two handcuffed suspects years before he did the same to George Floyd.

The edited videos were made public Thursday after the Minneapolis City Council voted to settle two civil rights lawsuits for nearly $9 million.

John Pope will be paid $7.5 million. The city settled with Zoya Code for nearly $1.4 million.

They accused Chauvin of excessive force during separate incidents in 2017.

Their attorney, Bob Bennett, released edited body camera footage shortly after the settlements were approved.



New video shows Derek Chauvin kneeling on a teenager’s neck in 2017, three years before he murdered George Floyd.

The video shows Chauvin hit Pope twice in the head with a flashlight, choked him until he lost consciousness and then knelt on the back of his neck for 15 minutes. Pope was 14 years old at the time.'

cont:
https://kstp.com/5-investigates/min...on-because-of-derek-chauvins-excessive-force/

 

that is the part they like to ignore... he was HANDCUFFED and laying face down on the ground

 

who knows what kinda brain damage that did to the child, sometimes damage to the brain is not obvious, but occurs none the less - heck just the trauma of that is bad enough

 

related threads:
an argument in defense of Chauvin
Derek Chauvin pleads guilty to federal charges, on top of already being sentenced by state
Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

 

Continued:
And while Floyd was HANDCUFFED and laying face down on the ground these 4 thugs ...


'Ex-Cop Who Kneeled on George Floyd’s Back Gets 3.5-Year Term'

snip:

"Floyd died on May 25, 2020, after former Officer Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck for 9 1/2 minutes as Floyd repeatedly said he couldn't breathe and eventually went limp. The killing, which was recorded on video by a bystander, sparked worldwide protests as part of a broader reckoning over racial injustice.

Kueng kneeled on Floyd's back during the restraint. Then-Officer Thomas Lane held Floyd's legs and Tou Thao, also an officer at the time, kept bystanders from intervening. All of the officers were fired and faced state and federal charges.

As part of his plea agreement, Kueng admitted that he held Floyd’s torso, that he knew from his experience and training that restraining a handcuffed person in a prone position created a substantial risk, and that the restraint of Floyd was unreasonable under the circumstances.'

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-12-09/cop-who-held-floyds-torso-to-be-sentenced-for-manslaughter#:~:text=Then-Officer Thomas Lane held,faced state and federal charges.

 

One thing is for certain..... The world is a better place without him.

When you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. If he would have taken his medicine like a man he would have still been alive.... Or better yet not have been a thief to begin with.

 

Indeed. Let's hope the murderer stays behind bars for many years. Even though that won't bring Floyd back, the rest of us will be safer once that thug cop is off the streets.

 

First off, why in the hell are we still discussing this? Trial is over, Chauvin was found guilty by his peers, and he is serving his sentence in the Federal Penn right now. But to go over your factoids, lest look at those, shall we?

1. Not the point of what color the officers were. I quite frankly don't care. The simple fact that Chauvin, per the Chief of Police's testimony, did not follow their training led to George Floyd's death.
2. Nothing in the autopsy report says that. No drugs was the official cause of death by the county ME. Now, yes, he did have drugs, but even fentanyl was not a fatal dose, even by the ME. You are making this talking point strictly by what you hear, not what you understand.
3. Both the ME and the private pathologist had the same ****ing conclusion.
4. He was officially detained because he passed a fake $20 bill. The officer is the one who made the claim and went on from there. My perspective, it is not enough to go on an officer's word for PC in that environment. This is not something new, and you need to look at a case in Georgia where this happened to a young girl who was pulled over for DUI, passed the test, even though she had alcohol on her since she worked at a freaking bar. But the officer said you are on drugs and that was that. Eventually, even that officer was dismissed and three years later, she had her charges dropped. That should not happen and it is too easy for cops to make this type of claim. That is why you need evidence, not some "gut feeling" to make an arrest.
5. Yes, people lie all the time from not knowing how fast they were going to "I was not there at all." But it is up to the government to prove you lied. The officer's job is to ascertain the facts at hand based on the suspicion of first passing the fake $20 bill. That never happened and went against George Floyd's training.
6. If someone is bleeding, the DNA would have been there. But that was when Chauvin arrested George Floyd several months before or so. Not sure of the exact date, but the point is that Floyd was arrested by Chauvin before and probably had the same cruiser as before. This does not go to the facts of the case. It is simply a factoid in your OP.
7. How in the hell did they perjure themselves when they quoted or summarized the actual ****ing policy handbook? This is the lamest excuse from internet "sleuths" you are bringing up here and popular among conspiracy theorists who don't know a ******n thing.
8. Yes he was and the type of restraint is not allowed per the police policy. This fact is incontrovertible.
9. that is exactly what the autopsy said. Defense experts said otherwise. The jury believed the prosecution's medical experts, not the defense's.
10. For the police manuals, this is a lie, an outright lie by whoever is making that claim that you are regurgitating. The MPD policy manual banned all forms of neck restraints under any circumstances, with the Chief of Police and the Police Inspector citing said manuals. Under the rules of evidence in a criminal court procedure, they could do this as an expert witness, but the Prosecution did enter those manuals, and the pages specifically, as evidence. That is what the jury had to go with.
11. No one argued that George was a healthy man. They argued he was an unarmed man. Big difference. However, with an enlarged heart, this is probably in all likelihood undiagnosed. You need to go to a cardiologist and have a few tests done including a dye-injected MRI or CT Scan to have that confirm the diagnosis. That takes money, insurance to cover most of the costs, and going to a ****ing cardiac specialist. Nothing in the media, left or right, suggests that Floyd knew that, nor Chauvin, nor anyone else until the autopsy was performed. Additionally, if George Floyd was complaining of breathing before he was put to the ground, that is further evidence that Chauvin should not have put him in a neck restraint to begin with. Should have called for medical to come, have him continue to sit in the car, breathe normally, keep him calm, and so forth. None of that happened, did it? Medical issues take precedence generally when they are not a threat to the police, aka they are armed, either trying to harm themselves or others. You lose on all counts on this point.
12. Although some may call him a hero, he was more of a victim of police brutality in which Chauvin never followed his training. This is what it means "to be black" when dealing with police, in a general sense. Even Sen. Tim Scott has said this from time to time. The police make great efforts within minority communities regardless of race, color, religion, or creed, to try to ease the apprehension because eventually, the police will need the public's help in those communities to solve crimes. This is called community policing and is done by most, if not all, major police departments throughout the country. It began in the 1960s and has continued from there.

 

Jury does not agree with you on that case. But this is another prime example of the far right not accepting the outcome of a trial because it went against their political agenda. Congrats.

 

there is actually a YT video done by a guy who was an ex con who basically states that Chauvin will probably not make it out of prison alive.

 

Actually yes they did. It is the same cam footage that they showed to the police. They showed other evidence as well, but they used Chauvin's own cam footage for that.

You may want to watch the video below and it clearly shows he knee was on George Floyd in said video.

 

I see a knee on his neck. And then I see an unconscious/deceased man.



Just to know in medical terms — occlusion of the arteries/veins in the throat can render a victim unconscious in seconds. It takes just 11 pounds of pressure to cut off blood flow. Temporary or permanent brain damage can occur in as little as 30 seconds; brain death can occur in four to five minutes.

This is why a knee to the throat should never be used to subdue a person by law enforcement. It clearly was and that is undeniable is this case.

 

How do we know? Did you watch the body cam footage recently released? Did he actually cut off his airpipe and surrogate him? Or was it the drugs he was on? Is it true that he was already saying he can't breathe before he was on the ground?

 

Is it true that this coroner never examined the body directly or is that a lie?

 

I will try to explain it this way. If you suspect, as a police officer, that someone is one drugs, took drugs, is under the influence of drugs, you don't put them on the ground on their stomach and then a knee at the point where they could have difficulty breathing. If I did that with any of you, and was on your neck for 10 ****ing minutes and you took any type of drug or barbiturate, you too would have a hard time breathing. That is why neck restraints by police departments are generally banned throughout the US for this very reason. In addition, the ME report listed the official cause of death as affixation with an enlarged heart being the contributing factor, aka he was strangled to death. One does not need to leave "marks" for this to happen.

 

If he did an autopsy, the ME examined the body, looked at the evidence of the crime scene, how the body was laid out, etc. There is a lot that goes into a ME report along with weighing the brain, liver, heart, etc.

 

I don't think anyone thinks Chauvin was good or not reckless. The question is did his actions kill Floyd or was Floyd already dying. I lean towards he killed him, but the body cam footage does raise some question.

 

Clickbait BS riddled OP belongs in the Conspiracy forum in the basement.

 

Well then the defense should have shown your videos.